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To: ventana
Please look over my response in post 51389, you will find I have already responded to your query as to 1 Cor 3:14. It did not occur to me to look up someone else's answer, although I am certain there are those who have already provided inciteful analyses that we could all benefit from reading, or quoting.

I hadn’t noticed your short comment since you didn’t quote it or the scripture, or tell me which one you were answering, sorry.

I’ll deal with it now.

1 Cor 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
V-14. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
V-15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

v. - Secondly, this passage is about man being saved because of his works and is silent on a man who has no works, who is not working at being a christian, who has fallen away.


If he has fallen away, then how is he still saved according to your belief? This account takes place at the judgment, you admit he has no works, but he’s still saved?
Your answer is not even logical then.

Now if what your saying is that this scripture is only about the man who had works, and is not talking about men who had no works, and therefore are not even in this picture, then here's the problem with that scenario.

This is talking about two different men, let me explain.

Here is what it means.
Verse 14, and 15, are two different men, v-14 is a man who’s works abided through the fire, and he received his reward.
Verse 15, is a man who’s works were burned, and it sounds like all of them were burnt, since he suffered loss, and doesn’t say some were rejected, but says that “if any mans work shall be burned,” so Paul gave an example of two extremes,…. one man, of which all his works were accepted,…. and then the other extreme,…… a man who lost all his works.

But notice, he was still saved regardless, showing that the works/rewards and salvation, are two separate issues.

This is about two men who were already saved, and had also done works as a Christian just as all of us who have eternal security have done. One man had all good works, and the other did not. He was like the man, who gave money to a Christian friend to help him out, then told everyone about it, or he kept reminding the man what he had done for him.

He thought it was a good work, but he had already received his reward when he bragged about it, so this work was burnt up as chaff.

Certain works will be disallowed and burnt up, but his salvation will not be effected by those works, he will not be given the heavenly rewards he could have had.

JH :-)

51,949 posted on 05/06/2003 8:40:05 PM PDT by JHavard (I know what it clearly says, now read my 14 page rebuttal. :-)----)
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To: ventana
v. I didn't realize it was so late, I'll finish up on your post #51,935 tomorrow.

G-Nite all. ZZZZzzzzzzz....... jh

51,950 posted on 05/06/2003 9:23:23 PM PDT by JHavard (I know what it clearly says, now read my 14 page rebuttal. :-)----)
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