[ventana]

First of all, I did not say loose salvation. I said lose salvation.

Secondly, this passage is about man being saved because of his works and is silent on a man who has no works, who is not working at being a christian, who has fallen away.

Thirdly look at this from James

James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Therefore

Someone who does not endureth temptation, can not receive the crown of life.

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[OLD REGGIE]

James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Therefore

Someone who does not endureth temptation, can not receive the crown of life.

Are you making light of the word "endureth"? Are you interpreting this as an absoloute?

What did the Lord promise to those who loved Him?

[JHavard]

Why is it that those who believe Christians aren’t saved until God weighs all their works at the judgment day and tells us whether they failed or passed, are so against us who believe we already have eternal security?

Other then us not having to worry about not being in God’s kingdom, what do we who have eternal security fail to do, that you who have no idea what will happen at judgment day have to do?

Does it upset God that some have complete faith that they’re saved? Did John say that perfect love cast out all fear?

1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.V-19 We love him, because he first loved us.

Because someone believes he is safe and his salvation is assured, does that mean that he slacks off, and stops doing good works?

Do those who haven’t enough faith to feel secure, try harder then we do?

What works of love do Catholics do that others who are secure in their salvation not do?

Catholics rituals of crossing them selves, praying through Mary, genuflecting, lighting candles, praying the rosary beads, taking the Eucharist every day, saying rote prayers, observing ash Wednesday, or even meatless Friday for some, and etc., do you consider these good works, and if you stopped doing them, would you most certainly end up in hell?

If you don’t consider these good works that God will credit you with on judgment day, then what works make you different and better then those who have eternal security that do good works also?

What negative effect does believing we’re secure have on a Christian?

JH :-)