[JHavard]

To have no faith means that the person, OK, doesn't have, like, faith. That is, that he doesn't believe in God or Jesus or nothing.

Wouldn't calling them un-believers be a lot simpler?

Since we are (for sake of his argument) saved by faith alone, not having faith is a bad thing.

Okay, not believing is a bad thing, I agree.

We can judge hwo does and who does not have faith by whether they repeat their sins.

So if a man has repeated his sin over a perioud of years, what's to stop your Church from giving him over to Satan, so God can work with them as Paul said?

JH :-)

[RobbyS]

Nothing, except the lack of will to do the right thing.

[SoothingDave]

So if a man has repeated his sin over a perioud of years, what's to stop your Church from giving him over to Satan, so God can work with them as Paul said?

Certainly someone who has repeated ofenses should be removed from the ministry. I think I've said this over and over and over.

When someone comes to confess his sins we take him at face value. We should not, however, put a person who has proven a danger in a position to do more harm.

Now someone obstinate in his sin, should indeed be given to Satan, which I take to be expelled from the community, or excomunicated as we would say.

So it would seem to matter if the person was attempting to avoid sin, or if he was too deep in to see his sin.

SD