How disingenuous of you Dave, If a man is on trial for murder, do you stand the prosecutor up before the jury and ask him if he ever once in his lifetime had the thought of killing someone flash through his mind.
Disingenuous? Ha. Why can't you answer this simple question? Why won't anybody?
Ipev has been arguing a case. I am completely entitled to cross examine his case. I'm sorry if you don't like the questions, but examining another's logic is hardly "disingenuous".
And if you did, then in God's eyes you are just as much a murderer as this man on trial, so therefore since your not perfect, this murdered should go free.
I am not defending pervert priests and I am not trying to acquit them. I am merely examining ipve's contention that he can examine their external behavior and pronounce that they are "reprobate" and have no faith whatsoever.
Can I do that? Or do I have to remain silent and let him say whatever he wants without rebuttal?
Ipve states that since the sin is repeated over and over that there must have been no repentence in between the episodes. So to ask him wehther he ever repeats a sin in between repenting is exactly on point. If he does it, how can he know that others don't?
He has sensed this and is now shifting to the "heinous" nature of the sin. His point being that, yeah, he may sin and may even repeat sin after repenting, but at least he does sin that horribly.
We all know what kind of argument that is, in God's eyes.
SD
If the scribes or Pharisees had asked Jesus if he had ever sinned, what do you think He would have said?
No! I have never sinned?
Jesus never sounded His own trumpet or bragged. I believe instead of distancing Himself from everyone by saying I have never sinned, He'd have said something like,
Sin is the transgressions of God's laws, I love the Father and his laws, and keep His Commandments.
Then I can hear the Pharisees now.
Answer the d@mn question, and stop avoiding the answer, have you ever in your life, blah, blah, blah ? :-)
JH