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To: SoothingDave; ventana
To set the table:

(Havoc) Peter was commissioned to teach the lost tribes of Israel.

(Ventana) Again. No. Not Scriptural. Wrong. (sigh)

(Reg) How can you say this? Peter, and the others, definitely were commissioned to do so.

Matthew 10:
[5] These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, "Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans,
[6] but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


Wow. Another completely unexpected deviation from the meaning I thought was common.

This command was given before the Resurrection. During Jesus' earthly ministry He sent His Disciples out in the Judean land to speak repentence and the Kingdom's inninence to the Jews.

After His Resurrection, He expanded the ministry to all nations. We see this when He tells them to make disciples of all the nations. The earlier, pre-Resurrection, ministry to the Jews was expanded.

To read this text as Jesus prohibiting the Apostles from ever, ever, going out to the nations is contrary not only to the later charge Jesus gives, but also to history, which is replete with far flung Churches established by Apostles.

A typical SD invention. Who ever said anything remotely akin to this statement?

(Reg) Is it your belief that the Lost Tribes and the lost sheep of the house of Israel are not one and the same?

The Lost Tribes are not the "lost sheep." The lost sheep are the ones in Israel at the time, the Jews who had fallen away, the ones that Jesus came to call to repent.

The Lost Tribes are in faraway lands, if known at all. Certainly the Apostles did not go to visit them while JEsus was on earth.


Could you provide one or more references which indicates the "house of Israel" doesn't refer to the Lost Tribes? Thanks.

49,139 posted on 04/28/2003 1:01:34 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN))
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To: OLD REGGIE; Havoc
To read this text as Jesus prohibiting the Apostles from ever, ever, going out to the nations is contrary not only to the later charge Jesus gives, but also to history, which is replete with far flung Churches established by Apostles.

A typical SD invention. Who ever said anything remotely akin to this statement?

Have you met Havoc? And his cronies?

He holds that Peter could not have been in Rome because only Paul was sent to the Gentiles. All of the rest of the Apostles were only to preach to Jews.

This is his "proof" that Peter was not in Rome, therefore could not be the Bishop of Rome. Could you provide one or more references which indicates the "house of Israel" doesn't refer to the Lost Tribes? Thanks.

Sure. How about Psalm 118:

1 Give thanks to the LORD, who is good, whose love endures forever.
2 Let the house of Israel say: God's love endures forever.
3 Let the house of Aaron say, God's love endures forever.

The House of Israel is one of the tribes. Specifically, it was the one tribe of the Southern kingdom, that was not carried off to Babylon.

SD

49,141 posted on 04/28/2003 1:08:04 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: OLD REGGIE; SoothingDave
I am a bit confused as to what is being asked. Some clarification please.

Reg. Are you in agreement with Havoc that the Ministry Jesus assigned his apostles was only to Jews that are called the "Lost Tribes?"

Further, are you in agreement with him that such a concept, in and of itself, precludes Peter from ever going to Rome?

v.
49,170 posted on 04/28/2003 2:20:59 PM PDT by ventana
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