Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
All right, then. I have it totally backwards.
Notwithstanding, the ministry of Jesus and His Apostles before the Resurrection was focused on thedescendants of Abraham in this geopgraphic region. They did not go out and about to foreign lands.
SD
The Kaddish is not a prayer requesting anything for the behalf of the deceased. Rather, it represents the acceptance of God's will even in the face of loss, and continued relationship with the community despite the grief of the bereaved. It is equivalent to praying "the Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away. Blessed be the Name of the Lord".
Doing some research, eh? ;o)
Once again? When did I stop?
Please provide an official teaching of the RCC which corroborates this.
Sigh. Coming right up.
SD
Thanks. But the El Malei Rachamim: seems to be asking God for something, doesn't it?
Exalted, compassionate God, grant perfect peace in Your sheltering Presence, among the holy and the pure who shine with the splendor of the firmament, to the soul of our dear ______ who has gone to his eternal home. Master of mercy, remember all his worthy deeds in the land of the living. May his soul be bound up in the bond of life. May his memory always inspire us to attain dignity and holiness in life. May he rest in peace. And let us say: Amen.
Do you know, roughly, when this practice began? Was it extant at the time of Jesus?
One receives Christ in the bread alone. Not half of Christ, but the fullness of the Eucharistic graces. If less than "all the fruit" was obtained, then Communion under both species would be required to get the "full" Christ.
SD
The phrase "house of Israel" appears many times in the old testament and typically refers to all of the tribes - not only the lost ones. The phrase "house of Aaron" I believe refers generally to the priestly class.
That one does, yes, which is why I posted it as an example of an actual prayer for the dead.
Do you know, roughly, when this practice began? Was it extant at the time of Jesus?
Its been a long time since I read about this, so I'm not really sure. There were a lot of superstitions around in medieval times, but I'm not certain when this originated.
Wine or grape juice? What brand?
The Kingdom of Israel was the northern kingdom, formed of the 10 tribes. The southern Kingdom of Judah was made up the tribe of Judah (predominantly) along with Benjamin and some Levites. Many from the northern kingdom fled south and mixed with the population of Judah. By the first century C.E., there was no real tribal distinction remaining with the exception of the priestly class.
The question is whether in Mathew 10:6 "but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Jesus is referring to the 10 lost tribes, or as SD and ventana believe, is limited to the land of Israel and excludes the lost tribes.
As quoted by SD: "The Lost Tribes are not the "lost sheep." The lost sheep are the ones in Israel at the time, the Jews who had fallen away, the ones that Jesus came to call to repent.
The Lost Tribes are in faraway lands, if known at all. Certainly the Apostles did not go to visit them while JEsus was on earth. "
Israel was one of the southern tribes, one of the Tribes that was not carried away into Captivity.
I don't have a dog in this debate, but some of this misinformation needs to be cleared up.
The nation of Israel, composed of 12 tribes roughly representing the 12 sons of Jacob (renamed Israel by God) only existed as a unified kingdom under Israel's first three kings ... Saul, David, and Solomon.
Upon the ascension of Solomon's son Rehoboam to the throne of Israel, following his father's death, ... the kingdom of Israel split into (2) parts ... referred to as the Northern Kingdom and the Southern Kingdom.
The Northern Kingdom was composed of 10 tribes (all but the tribes of Judah and Benjamin) and was referred to variously as Israel, Ephraim, and Samaria. The city of Samaria became the capital of the kingdom.
The Southern Kingdom was composed of the 2 tribes of Judah and Benjamin and was primarily referred to as Judah. It's capital remained at Jerusalem.
Both of the kingdoms ultimately were conquered and their peoples taken into captivity.
The Northern Kingdom was taken into captivity first by Assyria (in 722 BC). This was, largely, due to the fact that, of the score of kings which ruled over Israel, there was not one which led the kingdom in a way which was pleasing to God. Despite recurring periods of prosperity and prominence, the Northern Kingdom fell in hopeless idolatry, and so, came under an earlier judgement by God than her sister kingdom, Judah.
The Southern Kingdom, while also having its share of wicked kings, ... also had a few godly kings. These kings would periodically come on the scene and clean-up a lot of wickedness which was going on in the kingdom. So, the Southern Kingdom staved off judgement by God for about 150 longer than did the Northern Kingdom. However, in 586 BC, judgement came in the form of conquest by Babylon, the destruction of Jerusalem, and the carrying off of the people for subsequent resettlement.
The prophet Jeremiah was alive at the time of the judgement of Judah, and prophesied that the captivity would last 70 years, after which God would allow His people to return back to, what was now referred to as Judea, a province of Babylon.
Seventy years later, after Persians had defeated the Babylonians, the Persian kings Cyrus and his successor, Darius made successive proclamations that the Jews (as they were now known) were free to return to Judea, to rebuild the city of Jerusalem, and the Temple. Small group of Jews returned (mainly from the descendants of the Babylonian captivity).
Very few representatives of the Northern Kingdom's ten tribes returned, which resulted in them being referred to as the lost tribes of Israel.
That's the way I would interpret it.
SD
SD
Look, Steven, I got mixed up north and south. This is a little different from "doesn't know a thing." I am sure you are perfect, just like the whacko websites you post from without attribution.
At least I will admit when I am mistaken.
SD
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