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Tell me why God could not have had Mary conceive Jesus -- The Last Adam -- in her womb from God's sperm and egg. I'm willing to listen and learn. Really.

I've only brought up the objection about 10 times in the last week. Nonetheless, I welcome the opportunity to quit the sniping and actually engage the idea.

So. The position is put forth that Jesus is both fully man and fully God. As such He bridges the gap between man and God that was created when Adam and Eve sinned and were thrown out of Eden. This broke their complete fellowship with God.

All of the men since Adam and Eve have likewise lacked this complete fellowship with God.

Christ, by becoming man and offering himself as the Perfect Sacrifice on the Cross, unites man and God. This makes mankind able, through Jesus, to become holy and perfect in the eyes of God.

If Jesus were just God, His Crucifixion would be an illusion. It would have nothing to do with us, since He was not a man.

If Jesus was just man, He could not offer the Infinite Sacrifice required to satisfy God's justice. the gap could not be bridged.

So Jesus has to be man and God.

Now, since man, descended from Adam, is broken, it is we who need to be lifted up. Christ unites His humanity to His divinity on the Cross to make humanity the recipient of His Salvation.

If Jesus was, instead, some newly created "man" not related to Adam, there would be several difficulties.

First of all, the "mankind" who suffered on the Cross would have had no reason to make atonement. The humanity of Jesus substituted collectively for all of our humanity and its sin. If Jesus was not truly a man like us, then there would be no justice in hanging him from a tree.

It would be like God took Adam, before the fall, and Crucified him.

Secondly, if we are not related to Jesus, how can we benefit from His Actions? He took "humanity" up with Him and received God's favor. But this was not the broken, fallen humanity, but some other humanity that was not in need of redemption.

The bottom line is that if Jesus did not take on our actual humanity, then He did not redeem it.

SD

Nonetheless, I welcome the opportunity to quit the sniping and actually engage the idea.

Isn't this precious. The guy who actually is responsible for starting all the sniping wants us all to quit now.

I've only brought up the objection about 10 times in the last week.

Yes, and you have yet to back it up with any teaching from Scripture.

Thanks (again) for your thoughts, your words and your specifications on the matter of what constitutes a man.

Nonetheless, I remain willing to learn from His.

The bottom line is that if Jesus did not take on our actual humanity, then He did not redeem it.

The bait. Once you take it then the switch. And from whom does He take that humanity, and only after She said it was ok.......