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To: OLD REGGIE; Havoc
Since Jesus refers to his own Ministry as being to the lost sheep of Israel, and He stayed right where he was it seems pretty reasonable that the lost sheep of Israel were the locals, not some "Lost Tribes".

Mat 15:24  
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (this in response to the plaints of the Cannanite woman)

So I must ask by whom is it a clearly understood Scriptural idea that Jesus was not sent to the local Jews but to "Lost Tribes" of them located somewhere else?

I do recall that it is a belief of the Mormons that the Ute indians were one of those "Lost Tribes." Other groups have also espoused various versions on this non-biblical term, primarily those who have drifted over the line and are no longer quite completely Christian but have Pagan overtones, if not outright spacemen.

I find it more than a little ironic that after all this bluster Havoc turns out to be a bit of a Pagan himself. And having been proven errant, all his testimony must now (by his own standards) be dismissed as "Fraud" and "Forgery" His inability to see his error after multiple corrections means he has failed the Turing test, is incapable of creative thought, and can only re-format input data.

As far as Jesus' "Other Sheep." These are the others that heard his voice and came when he called. That would be you, and me, the Gentiles. Where does this stuff get written? It seems so scholarly and complex but it can't even see the most simple truths.

Never mind, I followed the link "Church of the Great God. a Sabbath keeping, Non-Trinitarian..."
Pfah. Heretics : )

v.
48,831 posted on 04/27/2003 3:17:48 PM PDT by ventana
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To: ventana
I find it more than a little ironic that after all this bluster Havoc turns out to be a bit of a Pagan himself. And having been proven errant, all his testimony must now (by his own standards) be dismissed as "Fraud" and "Forgery" His inability to see his error after multiple corrections means he has failed the Turing test, is incapable of creative thought, and can only re-format input data.

Folks, it appears we have a self proclaimed winner.

We'll be sure to tell Havoc when he gets back home. Lol

JH :-) Enjoy it, it may be short lived.

48,832 posted on 04/27/2003 4:06:19 PM PDT by JHavard
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To: ventana
Since Jesus refers to his own Ministry as being to the lost sheep of Israel, and He stayed right where he was it seems pretty reasonable that the lost sheep of Israel were the locals, not some "Lost Tribes".

If you follow his ministry, you'll find that he disappeared for a stint to minister to his "other sheep". Just because the Mormons pervert this doesn't mean it isn't Scriptural or historic. It is known in modern times where all but one of the tribes went to by name. It is also known that they were Not in Israel in the 1st century - a little history and a lot of scripture would do you well on this matter. I'm not sure who discipled you, but this is pretty basic stuff. Did you say you were Lutheran? For how long?

48,878 posted on 04/27/2003 10:00:12 PM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: ventana
I find it more than a little ironic that after all this bluster Havoc turns out to be a bit of a Pagan himself.

It would be ironic if it were true, that I'll grant you. Alas, it is no more true than your uneducated assertion that I might be Mormon.

Never mind, I followed the link "Church of the Great God. a Sabbath keeping, Non-Trinitarian..."

Followed what link to which Sabbath keeping, Non-trinitarian. Hate to call your bluff after that puffy little charade; but, this is getting a little beyond absurd.

48,879 posted on 04/27/2003 10:09:36 PM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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