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To: ventana
Peter called Rome the city, Rome the empire Babylon, not the Church there.

1 Peter 5:13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.

He is clearly talking about the church that was in in, see post #48,751 by Havoc. Lol

Imagine that you are sitting in a field listening to Jesus preach. In that context, when He told you to call no man Father, on that day,

On that day? ….So it was included in the Bible so we could see what Jesus said for them to do on that one particular day only,…. like God gave the Commandments for those at the foot of Sinai on that day only, huh? Yehhhhh Righht Lol

He could only have meant your own earthly father.

Of course, that’s much more likely then Him meaning exactly what he said.

Mt 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

It’s obvious He was saying, “And call no earthly father, your spiritual father. If he is not your earthly father/dad, then he must be your spiritual father, and you know you have only one spiritual Father, and he’s in heaven.

I am so glad you asked :-) Go get a Rosary and start Praying it. You will see for yourself.

Uh huh, and I might pray to Muhammad while I’m at it too, because it would be the same thing to me.

My original question P#87,728
JH - Or this, "There is no mediator between man and God but Christ Jesus.

Your answer on p#48,730
ventana - No argument from me on that one. Mary's prayers, and anyone else's, on my behalf are most welcomed however.

You imply that all Mary can do, is pray for you in regards to your prayers to her, since you also implied she can’t answer prayers herself.

JH - Are you saying now that she has no power to answer prayers, only take them to the Lord?

ventana - I don't recall having made any statements on NES on this subject prior to this. Can you provide a post #?

It sure sounds to me like you made that implication, don’t you?

JH - How else could she listen to the millions of daily prayers, and then organize them, and take them to God and explain what so and so needs?

ventana - Not my area.

Are you saying you can’t answer this, but someone else can?

JH - Have you thought how ridiculous this sounds?

ventana - Well that's a bit rude.

Sorry if it's a bit rude, but have you considered how strange it sounds, when you believe something, but have never understood why you believe it? You’re praying to a dead person to intervene in your life, and you have no biblical text or even logic to offer as to how it’s possible.

JH

48,762 posted on 04/26/2003 12:31:44 PM PDT by JHavard (RC’s have opulence and tradition, NC’s have the Bible.)
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To: JHavard
Excellent post, excellent.

The Queen of Heaven exerts a srong emotional pull over those who don't know who she really is.

Ever notice that the only thing Christ ever called Mary is "woman"?
48,763 posted on 04/26/2003 12:44:29 PM PDT by Jael
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To: JHavard
The Rosary is the Apostles Creed, the our Father, the Glory Be, and quotes from Scripture, along with asking Mary to pray for us, recited while meditating on the Mysteries of Jesus' birth, life, passion & ministry. It is hardly comparable to praying to Muhammad.

If you have any problem involving yourself with any of the above, you might as well be a Muhammadan.

v.
48,764 posted on 04/26/2003 1:34:52 PM PDT by ventana
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