[CindyDawg]

I misunderstood you, I guess. It was the post about inheriting of sin that was confusing to me. You might be surprised to hear, that we aren't as far apart in our differences as you think. Our God is a just God and I don't believe (either) that he looks at two babies and says I'll save this one but I'll send this one to hell. That's the problem I have with predetermination. I believe He will reach out to both, but HE will know who will later accept and who will reject him though.

[Havoc]

This I wouldn't speak to because we have no way of knowing how God deals with this. Sin is inheritable or at the very least, the consequence of it is. And no sin may enter heaven. As we have a just and merciful God, I leave it to his determination rather than attempting to Dogmatize matters we have no way of ascertaining short of God popping in and laying it out. That is neither neccessary nor, as it happens, really any of our business.

And I don't look at it as predetermination. Predetermination assumes facts not in evidence. And that is not our place to play though some have seen fit to do so endlessly to their grave folly.