[Havoc]

This I wouldn't speak to because we have no way of knowing how God deals with this. Sin is inheritable or at the very least, the consequence of it is. And no sin may enter heaven. As we have a just and merciful God, I leave it to his determination rather than attempting to Dogmatize matters we have no way of ascertaining short of God popping in and laying it out. That is neither neccessary nor, as it happens, really any of our business.

And I don't look at it as predetermination. Predetermination assumes facts not in evidence. And that is not our place to play though some have seen fit to do so endlessly to their grave folly.

[CindyDawg]

Never mind:'). Now I'm confused again. I'm not sure we are discussing the same thing. Interesting post to V there, though.