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To: DouglasKC
I don't consider celebrating God's Holy Days a work. It's a pleasure and a blessing. Neither did Paul...as he also kept them:

I know you don't, and neither did the scribes and Pharisees and those who had the millstones about their neck, and that's why they didn't want the change Christ offered them, they preferred the devil they knew.

1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast; not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Paul wasn't keeping this or any Jewish feast, and he never recommended that any Gentile keep them either.

In Exodus 12, the Paschal lamb was slain every year to cleanse out the leaven of sin. Jesus died once for all, and the yearly sacrifice was done away with.

Today, it’s a daily cleansing from within, and it’s up to each one of us to cleanse his own heart, and not to do it as ancient Israel did, which was strictly a physical cleansing of the leaven from the dough, it was a type, but today we keep it from within.

V-8 - but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. Paul gave the Gentiles the true meaning of the unleavened bread. It’s no longer bread with out the leavening, but its every man filled with sincerity and truth.

1 Cor 8 is not about a Jewish feast, it’s about fornication in the church. Paul used the leavening to make a point that it couldn’t be left in the church or everyone there would become effected, and the feast of UB was a good example of how sin would grow.

As far as I can tell, there is no Jewish feast coming up when this letter was written to the Corinthians, so it’s not likely that's what influenced Paul’s analogy.

The only time Paul said he had to be in Jerusalem for a feast was in…..
Acts 18: 21. But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

Notice Paul said nothing about the Gentiles or any of the other Christians going along with him, and the reason he had to go was because he had taken a vow, and it was to end at this feast, and it was probably Pentecost.

Now notice Galatians 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

Also Galatians 1:18 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.

For a Jew who you claim attended all the Jewish feast, here are 17 years that Paul told us he never went up to Jerusalem period, so he certainly wasn’t attending the many yearly feast that had to be kept in Jerusalem.

JH :-)

48,647 posted on 04/25/2003 1:16:12 PM PDT by JHavard (Train up a child in mans tradition: and when he is old, he’ll think it’s the truth.)
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To: JHavard
Isn't it amazing how you can tell what was going on by their comings and goings, JH. :) Where they are and where they've been can sometimes be as important as what they say. I'm sure some are cursing me under their breath LOL
48,734 posted on 04/26/2003 4:58:20 AM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: JHavard
I know you don't, and neither did the scribes and Pharisees and those who had the millstones about their neck, and that's why they didn't want the change Christ offered them, they preferred the devil they knew.

I don't think my situation and the situation of the Pharisees is even close to being anagulous.

Paul wasn't keeping this or any Jewish feast, and he never recommended that any Gentile keep them either.

Whether or not he was keeping the like the Jews did is open for debate, but there is no doubt he was keeping the feast in the way that Christ intended it to be kept and that he taught gentiles this too. Why else would he reference it?

Today, it’s a daily cleansing from within, and it’s up to each one of us to cleanse his own heart, and not to do it as ancient Israel did, which was strictly a physical cleansing of the leaven from the dough, it was a type, but today we keep it from within.

I agree. But just because a physical action has a spiritual component doesn't invalidate the physical action. Actions speak louder than words. If that's not true then you never ever get to complain about Catholics doing Mary worship or idol worship again because they too claim that it's the spirit, not the actions that count.

God knows the physical action of equating leaven with sin and abastaining from leaven on a yearly basis serves as a reminder of exactly what our goal as Christians should be. Physical actions reinforce and teach spiritual principle. We are physical creatures with a spiritual component. That's why physical actions with a spiritual component are great tools for teaching us. Though you now seemingly despise them, they seem to have effectively taught you.

As far as I can tell, there is no Jewish feast coming up when this letter was written to the Corinthians, so it’s not likely that's what influenced Paul’s analogy.

Oh come on, why would he mention it if it weren't in his mind or the minds of his brethen?

1Co 16:8 But I will tarry at Ephesus until Pentecost.

Notice that later in the chapter he says he's going to stay in Ephesus until Pentecost. That would mean he's writing the letter at some point before Pentecost. What's the last holy day before Pentecost? Hmmm....

For a Jew who you claim attended all the Jewish feast, here are 17 years that Paul told us he never went up to Jerusalem period, so he certainly wasn’t attending the many yearly feast that had to be kept in Jerusalem.

I never claimed he "attended all the Jewish feasts" and certainly not in Jerusalem. I claimed that he kept the feasts of the Lord as a new covenant believer does. I don't keep the feasts of the Lord as the Jews do either.

You always seem to make the mistake of associating God's Holy Days as being "Jewish". While it's true that Jews keep the holy days, they certainly don't keep them as new covenant believers because they don't believe that there is a new covenant.

The main point being that I find it absurd that Paul all of a sudden just stopped celebrating the days he KNEW God created. The only scriptures he knew said that God meant for all of Israel to celebrate the feasts forever.

Exo 12:17 And ye shall observe [the feast of] unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.

Paul certainly knew he was an Israelite:

Phi 3:4 though I also have cause of trust in flesh. If any other one doth think to have trust in flesh, I more;
Phi 3:5 circumcision on the eighth day! of the race of Israel! of the tribe of Benjamin! a Hebrew of Hebrews! according to law a Pharisee!

Woohoo says Paul. I'm an Israelite. The only inspired words of God I've ever read says that Israel must keep the feast. I think I'm going to make up my own mind and NOT keep the feast. Maybe I'll wait a few hundred years until I can start keeping Easter, Christmas, and Halloween.

Now don't you think that the Jews would have LOVED to have pinned it on Paul that he was going around teaching that we could disobey God on this issue? Yet they didn't. Why? Simple, because he wasn't:

1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened [bread] of sincerity and truth.

48,794 posted on 04/26/2003 9:20:11 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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