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Yeah Dave. Jesus was a woman. That's why He is addressed as He in the Bible. And since He is a "she" then I guess that settles that Mary can't be queen, huh?

"Tradition" says that a child of Mary would have had to be female. I said with God all things are possible, and that I really didn't care how he made His SON.

I do tend to lean that His body was probably cloned from Mary too. I'm guessing though and you are also. Scripture doesn't tell us. But you know what? It wouldn't make any difference to me.

No offense intended but you are really being very disrespectful towards Mary here. You are telling her that if Jesus' physical body came from your body then I will worship and adore you and elevate you to a divine status but even though you carried him, birth him, and nutured him and loved Him , if you were just a surragate (isn't that the word you used?) then this changes everything.

Tradition" says that a child of Mary would have had to be female. I said with God all things are possible, and that I really didn't care how he made His SON.

Since we are dealign with a miracle, I don't see how you can say "tradition" would result in a girl child.

I do tend to lean that His body was probably cloned from Mary too. I'm guessing though and you are also. Scripture doesn't tell us. But you know what? It wouldn't make any difference to me.

I'm not guessing. It is the consistent teaching of the Church that Jesus was truly Mary's Son. If He did not get His humanity from His mother, where woudl He have gotten it?

And it does indeed make a huge difference, as I have said before, whether God assumes the human nature we already had, or if He started a new humanity. If He was not truly one of us, related by blood, then He could not have bridged the gap between God and man.

Instead He would have bridged the gap between God and this new straing of man, who was already without sin. So that there was no gap to bridge.

No disrespect to surrogate mothers is meant, except for the fact that the idea is abhorrent.

Mary is the mother of Jesus. Truly. And He had to be a human like us. Like I said, I was astonished that anyone would think otherwise.