Oh, no. I understand alright. I understand you are running away from something that you have run into a paradox with at high speed. When you regain your composure, you just let us know. There is no such thing as pre-emptive salvation. God cannot circumvent my free will or yours in making our own choices. It is not allowed - not now and not then. He operates within the same rules he applies to us.
Mary is an exceptional case. God is not bound by time. It is funny that you are so limited by your human thoughts, which you claim to be the mind of God.
Crapola. Mary is not an exceptional case. "God is no respector of persons". Ring a bell? It should. It means no man is better or worse than any other in the eyes of God. If he does it for one, he must do it for all else he is unjust. The problem is to do for one is not possible. I've not claimed to be the mind of God. I know scripture. One wonders why you know so little of it that it keeps biting you on the aft quarters yet you sit and proclaim paradoxes and wish to pretend you're so intelligent that no one can understand but you.
I seriously question your sanity. Why do you continue to make these thigns up? What is the supposed comparison between someone, by the grace of Christ, being prevented from sinning and someone who lies in confession with the intention of sinnning in the future?
Well lets see, what is the comparison indeed. Hmm. Could it be that the Apostles actually back me up while you have to make your's up out of whole cloth and then make statements like you did with regard to all these other scriptures in which you've contested the apostles and want to say that All actually means something else because you know better than them. Pride goeth before the fall.
If you can't tell the difference between past, present, and future and between being forgiven and having nothing to be forgiven for, then I can't help you.
When exactly is it that you presume she got forgiven and never sinned again? Hmm? After Christ died? Until he passed and rose again, the sacrifice was not complete. Do you intend to tell us Mary was sin free and therefore offered a turtle dove for her sins? Care to tell us why God can somehow make Mary Sin free from birth to death and can't just do it for all of us by caveat? This should be good. Ignore the rest and just deal with this. Hint, every direction you can possibly turn with this will turn back on you as a paradox.
Mary could not be forgiven of sin before there was a sacrifice for it. This is not possible. And God is bound to time where we are concerned because we are bound to it. He cannot act on things we have yet to do. If he says believe and confess and we've done neither, then he cannot follow through until we move. Your wish to change the laws of the universe to make your philosophy work shows the level of desperation. Incredible. Who do you think believes you now? Do you honestly think people are this dumb?
Thus sayeth Havoc. You're a laugh riot. Let's let God decide what He can do, OK? LOL
Listen up, God did not violate Mary's Free Will. She could have chosen not to cooperate with God, that is why we praise her for her fiat. If she was a slave, then we would not consider her any more than that.
Do try to stay consistent. LOL
If he does it for one, he must do it for all else he is unjust.
LOL. So the clay says to the potter. You should go talk to the Calvinists. Learn them a thing or two about how God plays fair. LOL
When exactly is it that you presume she got forgiven and never sinned again? Hmm? After Christ died? Until he passed and rose again, the sacrifice was not complete.
No, dear friend, like I said, at Mary's conception she was saved. She never sinned at all. Please try to learn a thing or two about the Catholic faith sometime before you die. You might be surprised. Put down the comic books.
As for "the sacrifice not being complete" you again, as I jsut told you, constrain God in the time He created. Try to imagine a God bigger than time, who is time's master and not time's servant. Such a little god you have. Has to sit around and wait.
Do you intend to tell us Mary was sin free and therefore offered a turtle dove for her sins?
She offered a turtle dove in obedience ot the Law. Duh. What is the "sin" you think she had resulting from childbirth?
Care to tell us why God can somehow make Mary Sin free from birth to death and can't just do it for all of us by caveat?
Who said He couldn't? Talk about tying God's hands. LOL
God chooses to save Mary in this special way. God has not chosen to save you in that manner. Deal with it.
SD