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To: SoothingDave
This is the problem. You think that everything has to come from Scripture. It is not clear at all that there was never another family with these names. You must look to history, not Scripture.

There’s no problem, only a difference of what you and I consider important when it comes to knowing God’s will.

If there had been other family’s with these same names, then the Holy Spirit would have separated them in some other way, and if history has the answer to this, please enlighten us.

Who said the father was a carpenter?

Matthew 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

Both accounts are true, Joseph and Jesus were both carpenter’s. Mark 3:16

This is simply insane to believe that a character is referred to in this way. Sorry.

Because it’s a different Mary.

No problem, but I’m still waiting for you to tell me that Mary left her only begotten Son at the cross, while everyone else stayed. If not, why wasn’t she ever mentioned again until Acts.

What does your history tell you about this?

You are so intent to downgrade Mary, the Mother of God, that you assign her this schizophrenic name-shifting role. What other character in Scripture is referred to in this haphazard and contradictory manner?


Why do you strive so hard to believe that the mother of Jesus (her firstborn, by all accounts) is referred to as the mother of her (presumably) 2nd and 3rd children only?

Mary has absolutely nothing to do with our different concepts of her place in the church.

She knew nothing about what man would do with her memory, and would have been to first to object. It’s me who claims she loved her Son so much she would be the last to leave Him, and it’s you, who are either saying she left the scene early on, or the writers didn’t consider her important enough to follow up on where she was all this time.

Where else in Scripture or in Jewish tradition is a person's mother no longer his mother after he dies?

There is no other circumstance in the bible where a man is crucified while his mother looks on, so unless some expert on Jewish history has the answer as to why the names and their mentioning in order of importance keep changing, then we will just have to wait to see.

I have the names of her children, James and Joses, that support her as being the mother of Jesus. Until you give an example of another woman named Mary who also has sons named James and Joses, then you have no biblical proof of your belief what so ever.

If the scripture fails to distinguish between these (supposed) two different women, that have the same names, and two sons with the same names, who were all part of the small group of people who would be at the cross, then it was done so on purpose to confuse, and I’d never believe that.

JH :-)

46,975 posted on 04/16/2003 8:46:37 AM PDT by JHavard (You don't know what you don't know)
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To: JHavard
If the scripture fails to distinguish between these (supposed) two different women, that have the same names, and two sons with the same names, who were all part of the small group of people who would be at the cross, then it was done so on purpose to confuse, and I’d never believe that.

What you miss is that the Holy Spirit, on His worst day, never imagined that anyone would think that Mary, the Mother of Jesus, would be confused with this other Mary, the mother of James and Joses.

That Mary, the mother of Jesus would be called anything other than that. Good Lord, she gave birth to Jesus. Wouldn't that be a a defining factor in identifying her?

SD

46,976 posted on 04/16/2003 8:56:28 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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