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To: biblewonk
Didn't get enough replies over on the other thread? ;o)

And just how are these "anti-Mary?" Didn't she "hear the word of God, and keep it?"

What does Mt. 11:11 have to do with Mary? That whole chapter (from v. 2 on through at least 15) is discussing John.

In other words He is not of Mary. She is not His mother genetically.

Are you saying John is not of Mary or are you talking about Jesus? If Jesus, how can you say he was not of Mary? Yeah, he is of God, we know that. But he was born of Mary ... you can't deny that. I think you're digging a little bit to say that verse is "ant-Mary."

The passages where Jesus says, "Who is my mother and who are my brethren?" are not to "diss" his relatives, but to show that he calls all who do the will of the Father to be his family. Didn't Mary do the will of the Father?

Heb 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisdec.

And just what does this prove?

Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Isn't this referring to Melchizedek?

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Don't you have anything better than this, wonk? ;o)

46,715 posted on 04/14/2003 8:21:52 AM PDT by al_c
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To: al_c; newgeezer
What does Mt. 11:11 have to do with Mary? That whole chapter (from v. 2 on through at least 15) is discussing John.

It's subtle like when Jesus said "Why do you call me good". You have to be paying attention to hear what He is saying. "Of men born of women". But we know Jesus is greater than John therefore... This is not to say that she was not a vessel, but He is not of her, not her egg.

46,717 posted on 04/14/2003 8:37:44 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrissssstian)
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To: al_c; biblewonk
Yeah, he is of God, we know that. But he was born of Mary ... you can't deny that.

Sure we can. He was born of God; the Scriptures say repeatedly that He was made of a woman.

I think you're digging a little bit to say that verse is "ant-Mary."

Anti-Marian doctrine, actually. Nothing against Mary, of course (just those who elevate her).

46,723 posted on 04/14/2003 8:56:11 AM PDT by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible)
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To: al_c; SoothingDave; newgeezer
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Isn't this referring to Melchizedek?

Yes but it is paralleling Jesus. I should add a few more comments to clarify. Melchizedek is a type of Christ and in this case Melchizedek's priesthood which is not based on blood but on merrit. Mekchizedek is even more a picture of the Lord in that he has neigher father nor mother nor beginning of days nor end of life. Yet another way that Marianism is completely unraveled by scripture.

46,728 posted on 04/14/2003 9:58:52 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrissssstian)
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To: al_c
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Isn't this referring to Melchizedek? I read it as referring to a non-hereditary priesthood, and so it applies either to Melchizedek or to Our Lord. --------

46,732 posted on 04/14/2003 11:04:55 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: al_c
Where Have All the FR Protestants Gone?

Where have all the cowboys gone?

(To jail, or to Arizona, I guess. ;o)

46,768 posted on 04/14/2003 8:47:31 PM PDT by malakhi (fundamentalist unitarian)
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