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To: SoothingDave
Oh OK, then explain to me exactly what church has authority over a Protestant.

Why, the Church of God of course! Not the Church of Man.
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What does Sola Scriptura mean to you?

I'll settle for this:

"This Mediator [Jesus Christ], having spoken what He judged sufficient first by the prophets, then by His own lips, and afterwards by the apostles, has besides produced the Scripture which is called canonical, which has paramount authority, and to which we yield assent in all matters of which we ought not to be ignorant, and yet cannot know of ourselves."
St. Augustine, quoted from his City of God, book XI, Chapter 3.


Will you?
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(Reg) Trash. Another "Davespeak". Define this monolithic Protestant.

Duh. Every Christian who rejects the Catholic Church is a Protestant. And the rallying cry of the Reformation was that no Church could come in between a believer and his Bible.

Duh. Do you really believe these "Protestants" speak with one voice?
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I suppose I should conclude that Catholics and Protestants are all exactly the same, since when I try to illustrate a difference between the two you feign ignorance and incedulity. What do you want?

What do I want? How about a little intellectual integrity? Is the concept foreign to you?

28,336 posted on 12/04/2002 10:35:32 AM PST by OLD REGGIE
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To: OLD REGGIE
Oh OK, then explain to me exactly what church has authority over a Protestant.

Why, the Church of God of course! Not the Church of Man.

What the hell is "the Church of Man?"

Now, be a good fellow, will you, and tell me exactly where one goes in order to discern the mind of this nebulous "Church of God" you express fealty to.

How do you ask it questions? How do you know what to believe? Does this "Church of God" teach free will or predestination? Efficacious baptism or mere symbols? How do you know?

What does Sola Scriptura mean to you?

I'll settle for this:
"This Mediator [Jesus Christ], having spoken what He judged sufficient first by the prophets, then by His own lips, and afterwards by the apostles, has besides produced the Scripture which is called canonical, which has paramount authority, and to which we yield assent in all matters of which we ought not to be ignorant, and yet cannot know of ourselves."
St. Augustine, quoted from his City of God, book XI, Chapter 3.

Will you?

Of course. But I am not so prideful to think there are no things we "cannot know of ourselves." The Scripture is authoritative, when properly understood.

Every Tom, Dick and Harry's personal (and conflicting) pet theory, as much as they think it is "Scripture," can not be the final authority.

(Reg) Trash. Another "Davespeak". Define this monolithic Protestant.

Duh. Every Christian who rejects the Catholic Church is a Protestant. And the rallying cry of the Reformation was that no Church could come in between a believer and his Bible.

Duh. Do you really believe these "Protestants" speak with one voice?

When it comes to rejecting the Catholic Church, they sure do. It is one of the only things all do agree upon.

I don't understand all the fuss. Catholics and Protestants do think differently, and the use of their own (Spirit guided, of course) private interpretation over any interpretation given by a church with authority to speak, is exactly one of the crucial differences.

Don't you recognize that? Don't you like to jab at Catholics by quoting Trent saying that only the magesterium can interpret Scripture? Isn't that because you are free to do so, and Catholics are not?

Why do you get in a huff then, when I say the same thing?

I suppose I should conclude that Catholics and Protestants are all exactly the same, since when I try to illustrate a difference between the two you feign ignorance and incedulity. What do you want?

What do I want? How about a little intellectual integrity? Is the concept foreign to you?

Intellec..what?

I would lke to know why you are objecting to my characterization. What is untrue about it? Don't attack me, tell me what I am saying that you disagree with.

Even better, you Protestants out there who are objecting, tell me what you think the basic difference is.

SD

28,340 posted on 12/04/2002 11:00:46 AM PST by SoothingDave
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