Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
My "Catholics believe" statement (and I know it's untrue) is in the same league with your "Protestanst believe".
That sounds ominous... ;o)
SD
Lol. It is. I just called her on the cell and asked her where the policy was. I must not be paying much attention. Cuz I thought there was 250,000 on here and it turns out to be 350. :-)
This is true. Its one thing to listen to what they say but easy to arrive at conclusion when ya watch what they do. :-)
That's fine with me, I told you what I heard him say, and I'll stick to our agreed contract, and you can stick to your inferior one.
PS...He paid for my insurance too.
JH :-)
Just fire insurance or full coverage?
SD
Precisely. But the notion is that the gift was given because of one's belief, right? God doesn't grant unbelievers eternal life, right?
Most believe that the gift is offered to everyone.Romans 5:8 For, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.Believers have accepted the gift.
It is a gift, nonetheless. Unbelievers have, simply, rejected it.
Others would have us believe that the gift comes with no conditions, and yet they admit that they do indeed need to follow through with the conditions anyway. And that if they don't, the gift is a mirage.
I'm not sure whose views this would represent. Let me explain how I see it.
God created us to abide with Him within the household of God. Early on, despite the warnings of God, we chose to see what life was like beyond God's household. Once ensnared in the evil which existed beyond God's door, we found that we could not return, for to do so would be to bring the evil with us back into God's house, and this He could not allow.
But God devised a plan to bring us back into His household.
Through the death of His only begotten Son, God opened up a way for us to come home. This is His great gift to us. Those of us who have accepted His gift are, once again, at home (in relationship) with Him.
However, God has expectations for those who have returned to Him. In coming home, we have, once again, placed ourselves under His parental authority. So, He now works with us (individually and collectively) to mold us into His image, once again.
He is patient, and has promised that He will never cast out of His home those who have come home to Him. He does chasten us, as a loving Father chastens His children, but, ... so long as we desire to be His, ... His we will be.
Hehehehe, if Ginny and I can drive our mirage all over the Tampa Bay area, is it still possible it's not real?
Driving carefully in Florida, JH :-)
It's the same contract. If you don't meet the terms, it is revoked.
Where does God say that He will revoke the contract ?
An honest question.
Correct.
What you (or if not you the OSAS folks) seem to be arguing is that there are no people who exist who are completely convinced that they have accepted the gift who, in fact, have not.
Only time can tell that.
SD
Do you happen to have your contract handy, mine doesn't say that.
Best I can understand, from what Becky and Mack have told me is that they believe that they exercise their free will in order to choose to accept the gift of God.
From there on, it is all God's doing that provides our salvation.
So there is one thing, the decision, that is done that results in salvation.
In contrast a full-on Calvinist will argue that you do not have the capacity to choose for or against God. Unless God decides to save you, you will be incapable of choosing anything other than bad.
So there is literally nothing that a person does that results in his getting saved.
SD
How did you see that fine print? It was supposed to be maigeecall, I used < magical > ---- < /magical >
What you (or if not you the OSAS folks) seem to be arguing is that there are no people who exist who are completely convinced that they have accepted the gift who, in fact, have not.
Does scripture indicate that there are such (who would seem to suffering from spiritual insanity) ?
Have you been to earth?
What you are suggesting is the simplest form of easy-believerism. Anyone who at any time made a "decision" to get "saved" is always and forever saved? Is that what you are saying?
People make what seem at the time to be sincere committments, but faith falters and people fall into sin.
I don't need a book to tell me that. I have eyes.
You're not OSAS anyway, so why are you arguing this way?
SD
There you go, speaking in Catholic tongues again, I have no idea what that means.
JH ?:-(
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