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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)
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| 3/24/01
Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
but weren't those Sabbaths pointing to Jesus Christ, as described in Hebrews (i.e. Jesus is our Sabbath rest). Also, why would you need a day of rest in heaven??
JM
To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
See post 51892. ;o)
To: JohnnyM
I'd better post that scripture.
Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
To: SoothingDave
Unless you don't count Jesus among the "later prophets." I don't consider the gospels to be canonical, because I think they are corrupted by Pauline theology. I don't see that Jesus himself ever violated the laws of kashrut.
To: JohnnyM
but weren't those Sabbaths pointing to Jesus Christ, as described in Hebrews (i.e. Jesus is our Sabbath rest).Well "shadow of things to come" was said after the Messiah ascended.
Also, why would you need a day of rest in heaven??
I have no idea. :-)
To: malakhi; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Cool. Maybe you can share what you learn, along with further notes from your seminar. :o)Want me to post the minutes? :-)
To: JohnnyM; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; Invincibly Ignorant
Also, why would you need a day of rest in heaven?? Interesting question. Both the Hebrew and Christian scriptures fortell a "new Heaven and a new Earth". Why a "new Earth", if we expect that the righteous will be in Heaven?
To: Invincibly Ignorant
Steven, a "shadow of things to come" doesnt' mean that we will have all of these seperate things, somehow more fully. Rather all of these things, all of salvation history draws us to the one central moment.
Heaven is timeless, unchanging, eternity. There is no "today is friday, tomorrow is the Sabbath." There is no "it's Yom Kippur in 6 months it will be Passover."
Rather all of the days and holidays and feasts all are a shadow of the real thing, the ultimate experience of existence with God. And that experience is, forever and always, the Father begetting the Son, who offers Himself to the Father, through the Spirit. We will be guests at this great outpouring of mutual love and this feast will outshadow anythign we have experienced.
SD
To: SoothingDave
Ping to my 51907.
To: malakhi
I don't see that Jesus himself ever violated the laws of kashrut. That wasn't His role. His role was to live the Law fully.
SD
To: malakhi
Ping to my 51907. I'll have to think about it.
SD
To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
To: SoothingDave
Heaven is timeless, unchanging, eternity. There is no "today is friday, tomorrow is the Sabbath." There is no "it's Yom Kippur in 6 months it will be Passover."Yes I agree "time shall be no more". I'm not smart enough to know how there will be new moons and Sabbaths when we're no longer mortal but I believe it for it is written.
To: SoothingDave
His role was to live the Law fully. And our role is to ... not live the Law?
I'll have to think about it.
Okay. I don't have an answer myself. It just occurred to me.
To: malakhi
Another day of chase the tail again.
Rapture, motorcycle, run like hell, keys in the trunk.
BigMack
To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; SoothingDave
More:
And Samuel said, "Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices,
as in obeying the voice of the LORD?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
and to hearken than the fat of rams. (1 Samuel 15:22)
To: Invincibly Ignorant
I really dont know the answer to this myself. It speaks of the nations observing certains Feasts during Messiahs reign in the OT, which I would think would be obsolete by then. I just want to hear the reasoning behind your beliefs on this to better see where I stand.
JM
To: malakhi
What happens if you commit a sin against God or man for that matter and die before you repent or ask forgiveness? What would be the status of your soul? Say King David died before he was able to repent of his sin with Bathsheba. What would have happened to him in the here after?
JM
To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
What must we do to be saved?
Again, when a wicked man turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is lawful and right, he shall save his life.
Because he considered and turned away from all the transgressions which he had committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die. (Ezekiel 18:27-28)
Repentance, and a return to obedience.
To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Another day of chase the tail again.
Do you mean that the Holy Spirit will give you the grace to be able to follow the Law?
What Law do you believe you are supposed to obey?
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