Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
God also said to Moses, "Say this to the people of Israel, `YHWH, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you': this is my name for ever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations. (Exodus 3:15)
The prophet Joel says the Spirit will turn our hearts of stone into hearts of flesh and write the laws (torah) on our hearts. I don't where it says the Spirit will change the content.
(Douglas replied) I would say that taking life insurance out for yourself is never a matter of personal greed or covetness because if you "win" you don't get the money anyways.
You insisted Life Insurance is a gamble and framed the entire question around your personal framework. So like you to set the rules.
No apology from me and it is useless for you to beg. Furthermore, I wouldn't ask you to apologize because I have no confidence in your sincerity. Ever!
BTW, I would have answered sooner except I had to go take physical therapy for my latest episode. I am getting tired of my opportunities for sanctification. Wanna swap places?
Well, let us consider your agruments about the phasing out of sacrifices. That they were a temporary thing until mankind learned to offer the true sacrifice of a repentent and contrite heart.
I see no reason why the dietary laws are not in a similar category. In the NT, Jesus does teach that it is what comes out of a man's mouth rather than what goes in to it that makes him clean or unclean. The special dietary practices are an external thing, that pales in cmparison to an authentic renewal inside. One could be holy and eat pork, or sinful and avoid it. The outward sign's time has passed.
The other main item would be Sunday worship, and we have covered this before as well. I am following my authority and celebrating the New Creation, not he rest from the old.
SD
Really? :)
Lol. Well, if you're gonna call yourself a dispensationalist you should know this. :-)
No one could keep the law without failing, thats the reason we can't get to heaven on our own, we sin, sin cannot be in the presence of God, therefore our need for a sin bearer, Jesus. Its a done deal, the Holy Spirit works in us now to fufill the Spirit of the law, and the Spirit of the law is a far higher plain than the letter of the law, but we are not saved because we let the Spirit move in our lifes, we still sin, the price He paid is a one time time thing.
BigMack
Life insurance is a gamble. Absolutely.
I was using my interpretation of that fact and Doug's definition of gambling for money being wrong.
You accused me of making up his definition. I did no such thing. Apologize.
I don't mind you calling me a spinner when I do something complicated. But when I am just relaying what another said, don't you dare call me a liar.
SD
I agree.
BigMack
and then He added, I was just kidding when I wrote the Torah. :-)
For the sake of argument, assuming that the Catholic church was given ;the authority it claims it has, I would still think they overstepped their bounds to change one of the 10 commandments.
Anyone?
You pay money periodically. If a defined event occurs, you get a large payment.
If you were sure that you would not die for a certain period, you could take the monthly payment and invest it somewhere else and make some money with it. As Mack tells us, over 30 years you could make a bundle with modest monthly payments.
But here's the catch. If you die before the 30 years are up, you are left only with your accumulated value of you alternative investment. If you want a guarantee of a certain payment, no matter when you die, you have to buy insurance.
When you do so, the insurance company is taking a risk that you will die before your payments and interest add up to enough to pay your settlement. Perversely, you are betting that you will die before that is the case.
How can anyone say this is not a financial wager?
SD
Not even Jesus. Of all the 613 mitzvot? He failed to keep those pertaining to females. :-)
SD
After. Duh.
SD
Its not a Sabbath. The 7th day is the Sabbath. When the new heavens and new earth arrive we will be celebrating Sabbath eternally. As defined in the OT.
Isaiah :6622 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
This says nothing about "celebrating Sabbath eternally." It does say that we will worship eternally, but that is it.
I don't have a problem with that.
SD
(Reg) You would be taken much more seriously in your efforts if you were even the slightest bit fair in your assessments honest.
(SweetDave) Bullshit. You just are completely unable to see the ugliness of some of the non-Catholics here.
I know that actually quoting their words means nothing to you, you call me a liar anyway, but here is what Jim said in 51605:
Note: I will use bold red to add the assumed words in Jim's statements.
(JH) I can relate to these feelings, that's how we feel when we see all RC's, wasting time doing all those man made rituals and traditions that have no biblical support, when you could be spending quality time directly with God.
Where is his qualification here? Nowhere, that's where. He is not saying "some" Catholics do this. He says, authoritatvely, that "RCs" "waste their time" with gestures and stuff that isn't Biblical. And then, he counters this to "spending quality time" with God. As if all of the above, that the blanket "RCs" do has nothing to do with spending time with God.
(JH) I would probably die spiritually in your Church, as so might you in mine, but since God only sees the inner man, and not the outward appearance, I’m sure that the large percentage of what you do in your Church that doesn’t come from the heart, God doesn’t see any way.
This is only "certian" Catholics, and he just forgot to say so, right?
Yes! In fact it was a personal reply to ventana and RobbyS.
In any event how did you miss the qualifier "that doesn't come from the heart"?
You disgust me.
Thank you. I pity you.
The Catholic Press of Sydney, Australia, is empatic that Sunday observance is solely of Catholic origin.
"sunday is a Catholic institution, and its claims to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles...From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first." 8/25/1900.
Exodus 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
You're not gonna tell me only jews will celebrate Sabbath in heaven?
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