Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
"You can be thrown out of the country, but you will forever be born an American."
A born American cannot be thrown out of the country.
You don't think Mary tried to explain to him what was in her whom after the chat with the angel? Of course she did, he just didn't believer her until it was shown to him in a dream. Should have been easy for Joseph to believe had they dicussed her "immaculate conception" beforehand.
I corrected this bit of poor language on my part yesterday. The presence in the communion gifts is substantial. The presence in the priest is only spiritual.
I erred in calling this a "physical" presence without differing this type of presence from the substantial present.
The priest at a sacrament is physically there. And He physically handles the elements required for the sacrament. Christ acts through the priest, using the priest's body to perform the work. So, He is "physically" present in that He is the actor of the sacrament. But He is not physically "substantially" present. The priest does not undergoe some change to become Christ's body and blood.
Rather, he is a channel for Christ to do His work.
Now, what does this have to do with my analogy about being born or being deported as it relates to being "Baptised" or "ordained" as an irrevocable thing, like the place of your birth?
Anything?
My understanding is the Priest is the celebrant at all the sacraments except Matrimony. Am I wrong? Are you saying the priest is the celebrant only for the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist?
You are correct. The priest is the celebrant for all but Communion. (Well, the bishop for Holy Orders, but he is a priest as well.)
According to my understanding of what you said, I assume you believe Jesus is present, body and blood, even when the bread and wine are not present.
I see. I hope I have explained myself better. The priest is not a continuing presence of Christ wherever he goes. He does not undergo a permanent change from his own body to being a living, walking, talking, substantial Presence of the Body of Christ.
Only while performing the actions of a sacrament is the priest then a channel for Christ to be present to do the acts. Father Paul did not baptise Sarah. Jesus did. Then Father Paul came to the picnic and had a sandwich.
SD
You should celebrate Mexico's independence. The alternative might be 31 more Democrat states in the U.S.
I will give a short, sharp shock to anyone who thought I was speaking infallibly on the subject of American law, and not instead just making an anaolgy.
You are really annoying and the levels you sink to show that you can find no real arguments, and delight in throwing stupidity along my path.
SD
Well, in that case, it does seem silly. I mean really, celebrating beating the French?
So? Would you believe such a thing so easily? Joseph is not without sin.
Should have been easy for Joseph to believe had they dicussed her "immaculate conception" beforehand.
What do you mean by "immaculate conception"? It is not known whether Mary or anyone would have been aware of her IC, other than her unusual goodness.
SD
Well. If she didn't know, how could you guys know? I'm talking about her birth. How you guys say she had to be born without sin too?
In most cases, a point of denigration. But this year, an especial reason for a fiesta.
(Truthfully, any victory which kept the French (mostly) off our continent is to be celebrated. And I don't just say that cause I grew up in the pivotol area where the French and Indian War happened. But it doesn't hurt.)
SD
I doubt she remembers much of what happened before her birth.
Regardless, even if she had been aware of the uniqueness of her birth, that does not lead to an automatic conclusion that she and her betrothed would understand that she was to give birth without the benefit of a human father.
Can you explain how one leads to the other?
We explain it with hindsight, not foresight.
S
LOL!
See 51242
It's Iowa (State)'s basketball coach, who is having a bad publicity week for partying with co-eds. We're just funnin' on his name.
SD
LOL again! I wonder how many dropped-once-never-shot French muskets they have in some of those bargain shops in the border towns across the Rio Grande!
So we know because James wrote about the "immaculate conception" is his "alledged" protevangel? Who kept it secret from Mary her whole life? Weak.
No such thoughts here. Anyone else? :O)
Cinco de Mayo being accepted as an American holiday is a sign that as repulsive as "Being Irish for a day" would have sounded 100 years ago, we are cool with the idea now. OK, let's be Mexican for a day and celebrate.
As long as Juneteenth remains a day for earnest and serious reflection (and the inevitable calls for recrimination and renumeration) America will largely ignore it. Now turn it into a real party and we'll happily celebrate the end of slavery.
SD
So we know because James wrote about the "immaculate conception" is his "alledged" protevangel? Who kept it secret from Mary her whole life? Weak.
Perhaps you missed my last post. Even if she did know, how does that lead to foreknowledge of the miracle conception of Christ?
Can you explain how one leads to the other?
This is why it is hard to take NCs seriously when they "discover" notions in Scripture. Because they will not follow through an answer questions, preferring to ridicule what they don't understand and to back slap each other.
SD
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