May I suggest ...
Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
And you judge repentence to be "phony" how? By if the sin is repeated?
SD
The best hot dog on the planet! Yum! :o)
Yes, three times.
Father Shanley is seriously disordered.
SD
You wouldn't play games with the truth would you?
SD
May I suggest ...
I would have to agree with your process of ordination which I don't. In the NT there are spiritual offices. Apostles, prophets, pastors etc. If they quit for some reason we don't continue to refer to them with these titles. They're not supposed to be given these titles for who they are but for what they are doing.
If you can't see where he is defending sin as "big deal, we all sin" then we are reading different post.
He admits personally, that he's against sex perversions in his church, and if it were up to him they would be removed.
The problem is most of the RC's agree with him, but haven't the guts to do anything to get it stopped other then whine to each other.
If in their hearts, they believed it was a heinous sin, which Paul certainly made clear it was, when he gave us an example to follow, by having the members put the man out of the congregation, then it follows they would have handled it by now and the hierarchy would know what the people will and will not tolerate.
I know you respect our Christians beliefs, and even though you disagree with them, you agree we should follow what we believe are examples in our scripture.
Let me ask you malakai, if you believed in the teachings in New Testament scripture, and they are there for an example to be emulated, how do you read this?
1 Cor 5;12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
And the RSV translates it…..
1 Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?
Do you agree that Paul is telling the congregation that they are the ones who should have taken care of this in-house problem?
Because RC’s refuse to let scripture tell them what to do, they let men in their own clergy force them into fellowship with sin in their ministry.
If Paul told the people to remove a member from them because of the problems he would cause the church, how much swifter would he have acted had it been a deacon or an elder?
When Christians have leaders who have sinned against them, and when the hierarchy’s made aware of it, and refuses to take positive steps to correct the problem, and when good people refuse to follow the example in scripture, I consider them an accomplice, and are not doing all they can to protect the children.
A big majority of these children, and even their parents, never attend church again, and some loose all faith in God.
I find this deplorable.
JH
I'm sure you will have no problem praising the name of YHWH! ;o)
a priest is a priest.
I would have to agree with your process of ordination which I don't. In the NT there are spiritual offices. Apostles, prophets, pastors etc. If they quit for some reason we don't continue to refer to them with these titles. They're not supposed to be given these titles for who they are but for what they are doing.
Scirptures' moral superiority. Scripture wants them to stop ministering.
But I do think there are monsters out there who do these thngs and are unrepentent. I think there may also be some who do them but hate themselves for doing it and are sorry. But as for us, as I said we are justified in being sceptical of anyone who has done a crime such as this, but seem to be repentent. They deserve to be prosecuted to the max, and for the rest of their lives will have to live with the consequences of people treating them like they have the plague, even if they never do it again, and especially if they are repeat offenders. I do not think we are being "judgemental" in being ths way. BUT their eternal judgment is in God's hands.
Becky
I understand that. But for the discussion you have to grant that we believe in it.
This is why I ask, can you be "unbaptised"?
The way we view things, and you can disagree, but it doesn't change our view, a man becoming a priest is as irreversible as a man being baptised. God acts, the person is changed. Never to be reversed, never to be repeated.
Now priests who abuse their calling will find a special circle in hell, we can be sure. But they are never "unpriested."
SD
And we agree. Remember? Whether they continue to minster or not is entirely a different question as to whether they are priests or not.
You can be thrown out of the country, but you will forever be born an American.
SD
You are definitely reading different posts. I am speaking to whether habitual sin is evidence of a lack of repentence or a lack fo faith. Not to minimize the sin, but to make you think about how you yourself sin.
SD
SD
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