Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Hey guys, they want us to talk about clean and unclean meats, Levitus 11 is back, Acts 10, akathartos, koinos, koinoo, Oh boy, will we have fun tonight.
JH This is better then the Cracker Barrel. :-)
Thank you. Yours is about the most self-satisfied sanctimonious unmerciful ungrateful attitude I have ever seen.
So now a horrible crime, pedophelia, is dressed up in sugar and spice to be simply a "fault".
Listen up. The Bible says that if you violate one part of the Law you are guilty of all of it. You are no better. you have been saved from the consequences of your sin.
And you use that freedom to throw stones at others.
Sorry for my saying so, but you need some serious help if you can't make the distinction between a "fault" and a horrible crime.
Murder is a horrible crime. So no murderer can ever repent and become right with God. Is that your position?
Can no person who has faith ever lose control and murder, or steal, or lie? Does that mean, automatically that they have no faith? Or does it mean that they lost control?
SD
He should not be on the altar in the first place, but being there does not invalidate the work of Christ. It is He who takes the oath.
(Of course, some can still just get struck by lightning, or rub their feet on the carpet.)
SD
Lol. Why not? We just had the same exact Mary conversation as we had 2 years ago. :-)
Anti-abortion is protecting the innocent. Pro-death penalty is punishing the guilty. There is no conflict with being pro-life and pro-death penalty, provided all reasonable precautions are taken to ensure that no innocent people are executed. Given our appeals processes and our public subsidy of legal representation for the accused, I think the standard of "reasonable precaution" is met. It may be frustrating to have people on death row for so long, but I think it helps prevent the execution of people who are actually innocent.
Not to mention that it is scriptural.
Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for God made man in his own image. (Genesis 9:6)
Pro-war? Very few are "pro-war". People want peace. Sometimes this requires us to fight for the right to live peacefully and in freedom. Again I see no conflict.
Sure they can but do we have to take communion from the same hands that have been fondling some 12 year old in the meantime?
Well put, Dave.
Yes, of course. We have the sacrament of confession where repentence meets the absolution of sins. A man struggling with sin can find solace there. I know this is hard for you to accept.
You would rather damn the sinner. I don't get where you assume that the sin is "willful." Like I said, perhaps you have no experience with struggle with sin.
Anyway, regardless, the state of the priest has nothing to do with Christ's ability to work through the man.
This too, you dont' seem to want to understand. If God can work through a man with a little sin, He can work through one with a lot.
SD
Thank you.
SD
Does God use you as an instrument? Are you without sin?
SD
You spend too much time watching "The Shawshank Redemption"
I suspect our new friend was speaking tongue-in-cheek.
(Great film, BTW).
in the light of your own fallibilty and pay grade, how do you reconcile your gleeful and self-serving judgment about the "reprobate" status of others with the concept expressed in Scripture that judgment is left to God?
Man, you simply do not know the state of someone elses's soul Many have faith and struggle with demons. You would cast them all aside.
Does you Bible have a parable where a man begged forgiveness for a large debt from his master, and then would not forgive a small debt to his servant?
SD
I had to jump in on this one Dave, are you concerned that God will judge you by His Pedophile standards?
If I don't commit adultery, and I rebuke someone who does, should I worry that God may hold me to those same standards? I don't think so.
JH
A somewhat unfortunate phrasing.
2 Cor is not really on point. We aren't talking about a believer and a non-believer. Presumably, the priest is someone who believes, but commits gross sins anyway. Is your salvation null and void if the preacher who gave the altar call was an axe murderer? No. Because the "sacrament" is between you and God.... and God chose to use a sinner to give the call.
Jesus chose Judas to set into motion His own death on the cross. The fact that the same cross is responsible for your salvation is not removed because Judas was a sinner - and he walked with Christ daily.
1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
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