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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)
Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.


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To: newgeezer
Is that painted on black velvet? ;o)
49,361 posted on 04/29/2003 8:06:41 AM PDT by al_c
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To: SoothingDave
I just watched the documentary about Kurt and speculation that his wife had something to do with his death.
49,362 posted on 04/29/2003 8:07:42 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant (I'm a sucker for rock star movies and VHS legends)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
I just watched the documentary about Kurt and speculation that his wife had something to do with his death.

The dude died for the lack of sense to go to a doctor. He had stomach pains so he self-prescribed heroin for the pain.

SD

49,363 posted on 04/29/2003 8:10:47 AM PDT by SoothingDave (It might behoove me to be heaved)
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To: SoothingDave
The dude died for the lack of sense to go to a doctor. He had stomach pains so he self-prescribed heroin for the pain.

You're probably right. But the documentary was still fun to watch.

49,364 posted on 04/29/2003 8:19:45 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: ventana
I need to hear you say it Reggie, I need to hear you say that Jesus came not but unto the "Lost Tribes" of Israel.

I need to hear you say it ventana, I need to hear you say "I have misrepresented what Reggie said".

This is not Semantics. You and Havoc have equated the "Lost Tribes" with the 10 tribes also identifiable as the "House of Israel" as opposed to the universal use of the term. To focus Jesus' ministry on them only is to deny his ministry to the "House of Judah" meaning most all the Jews then living in the area.

I have not done so. I believe the "House of Israel" includes the 10 Lost Tribes.
Do you have difficulty in distinguishing between the meaning of "inclusive" and "exclusive"?

BTW, I am perfectly open to be persuaded differently. I am patiently waiting for source material, other than your dogmatic statements, that the "House of Israel" refers only to the two tribes known to be in the immediate vicinity.

49,365 posted on 04/29/2003 8:23:34 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN))
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To: drstevej
A Georgia born boy learning a Boston Irish accent? It would be my first miracle. We don't do well with rapid-speak either.

I was in the Air Force with a guy who was brought up in, I mean he lived in, the Green Swamp. I remember this guy because he was the fastest talker, mumbler, I had ever heard in my life. No one could understand him.

Maybe he could get away with it. You don't have a chance.

49,366 posted on 04/29/2003 8:28:33 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN))
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To: SoothingDave; Havoc
how sad is the carnal mind on display here for all to see.

Quite sad, indeed. But, when reading your posts, I make it a point to look past all that carnal, Pharasitic, holier-than-thou piety.

I'm guessing Havoc does, too. :-)

49,367 posted on 04/29/2003 8:32:53 AM PDT by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible)
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To: malakhi
Hey! You recommended that I read Martin Buber's book - "I Thou" and I just bought it for $2. I do not even recall why you told me to read it, but here goes nothing. I hope you are living in peace!
49,368 posted on 04/29/2003 8:37:53 AM PDT by Sass
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To: OLD REGGIE; ventana
I believe the "House of Israel" includes the 10 Lost Tribes. Do you have difficulty in distinguishing between the meaning of "inclusive" and "exclusive"?

As usual, you direct your wrath the wrong way. Ventana and I agree with you, that the term is inclusive.

It is the other side that is insisting that this refers only to the lost tribes.

We say, for practical and historical reasons that the Apostles, when sent out on a mssion before Jesus' Crucifixion, went only to the "Jews" living in "Israel" at the time, and not to search for the lost tribes among the Gentile lands. The Bible says as much, and you quoted it. IT says do not go out among the Gentiles.

Why don't you try to straighten out the other side?

SD

49,369 posted on 04/29/2003 8:38:04 AM PDT by SoothingDave (It might behoove me to be heaved)
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To: malakhi
The real question is... should I read Martin Buber or a book on which I have to write a paper...Hmmm.... (The book for the paper actually looks promising. The book does a character analysis of God in the book Genesis - an analysis in which the reader analyzes God in the same way a reader would analyze any other character in a literary work. Literary criticism is really grabbin' me!)
49,370 posted on 04/29/2003 8:44:16 AM PDT by Sass
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To: Sass
Hey! You recommended that I read Martin Buber's book - "I Thou" and I just bought it for $2. I do not even recall why you told me to read it, but here goes nothing. I hope you are living in peace!

Hi Sass, good to see you! I don't recall the specifics of that conversation, either, but you might find the book interesting.

49,371 posted on 04/29/2003 8:44:45 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: Sass
I think I had also mentioned God in Search of Man, by Abraham Joshua Heschel. He has some interesting things to say about awe and wonder as the root of the religious impulse.

I've been meaning to dip my toes into some Tillich, but I got a new shipment in from Amazon, and have been busy reading the Dead Sea Scrolls.

49,372 posted on 04/29/2003 8:49:40 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: newgeezer; Havoc; SoothingDave; RobbyS; al_c; IMRight; tHe AnTiLiB
Quite sad, indeed. But, when reading your posts, I make it a point to look past all that carnal, Pharasitic, holier-than-thou piety.

I'm guessing Havoc does, too. :-)

Speaking of carnal I think I must have hit on a very sensitive spot when I connected the pagan Easter ritual to the verse that strongly implies Jesus didn't come from Mary's egg. We all know how interconnected their many Marian doctrines are and that is why they are so defensive of each one of them. They have invented an equation that states it must be Mary's egg and at her consent that Jesus came therefore she is co-redemer. There certainly is a strong drive to glorify her and it certainly is not a drive that is in the scriptures.

49,373 posted on 04/29/2003 8:51:34 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrissssstian)
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To: Sass
(The book for the paper actually looks promising. The book does a character analysis of God in the book Genesis - an analysis in which the reader analyzes God in the same way a reader would analyze any other character in a literary work. Literary criticism is really grabbin' me!)

"God: a Biography" does the same thing. I can't think of the author (Jack something?), but he is an ex-Jesuit and he applies the model to the entire Hebrew Bible. Starting at day one and seing what we learn of this character called "God."

SD

49,374 posted on 04/29/2003 8:52:15 AM PDT by SoothingDave (It might behoove me to be heaved)
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To: Sass
Literary criticism is really grabbin' me!

Egad! As a former English major who ruled out graduate study due to the dominance of modern critical theory in the field, I advise caution. You might find this article interesting:

The Latest Theory Is That Theory Doesn't Matter

49,375 posted on 04/29/2003 8:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: biblewonk
Speaking of carnal I think I must have hit on a very sensitive spot when I connected the pagan Easter ritual to the verse that strongly implies Jesus didn't come from Mary's egg.

No, you're just being idiotic.

We all know how interconnected their many Marian doctrines are and that is why they are so defensive of each one of them.

I know it's different from your method of having haphazard ideas that don't connect with, complement, or even agree with each other. It's a fault we have, having interconnected, coherent dogma.

They have invented an equation that states it must be Mary's egg and at her consent that Jesus came therefore she is co-redemer.

Wrong again. I have said numerous times that we don't know the machanics of how Jesus became man. So whether He used "her egg" or not doesn't matter.

I've said this many times, so what excuse do you have for sayign otherwise? Do you not understand the simple things I say, or are you eliberately lying?

The only, and I stress only, thing we hold as true is that Jesus used Mary's humanity to Incarnate as a man.

As for the co-redeemer idea somehow being a conclusion to the premise that Mary's egg was used, you are all wet. Wrong again, as usual.

Even if Mary was unrelated to Jesus, she still fulfilled her role in the Salvation history. She would still be co-redeemer.

you would think that with all the ignorant statements made here daily by you and Havoc and your ilk, that you would be embarrased. Instead, you still present yourselves as knowledgeable, and the cretins lap it up. It's sad.

SD

49,376 posted on 04/29/2003 8:58:21 AM PDT by SoothingDave (It might behoove me to be heaved)
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To: SoothingDave; Invincibly Ignorant
The dude died for the lack of sense to go to a doctor.

That shotgun blast to the head didn't help much either.

BigMack

49,377 posted on 04/29/2003 9:03:23 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: biblewonk
You sound so proud of yourself.
49,378 posted on 04/29/2003 9:04:13 AM PDT by al_c
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To: al_c
Shut up al. :)

BigMack
49,379 posted on 04/29/2003 9:06:23 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
621 to go!

BigMack
49,380 posted on 04/29/2003 9:07:33 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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