This is not your Fathers' Limbo... ;o)
Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
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This is not your Fathers' Limbo... ;o)
I wonder if Catholics came up with the playing card idea like in Iraq, who would be the Ace of Spades? Mary or Jesus? :-)
I know who the joker would be. ;-)
SD
Careful now. I've been keeping logs. I've got that diatribe you posted to mom. :-)
SD
Whether you reject the "lost tribes" or not, the "lost sheep" belonged to them.
Why would you think that? Can't sheep wander away from the "found" tribes?
John the Baptiser sure found a lot of sheep in the immediate country that needed to repent.
SD
Dave know about this?</> Thanks, Cindy, I am aware. We're currently in negotiations to name me the head of the Congregation of Divine Worship.
SD
The lost tribes were not considered lost because nobody knew where they went at the time. They were considered lost because they lost their identity - their knowledge of themselves and their inheritance when God scattered them to the winds as punishment. They didn't lose their name or their observances. And that is why it has been possible to find them in modern times.
Did I miss the announcement?
That is why all but Asher have been identified. Judah was never considered lost. Neither if I'm not too much mistaken was Benjamin, though part of that tribe wandered off and returned to Israel a number of years ago from Africa. At the time Jesus was ministering in Israel, he was ministering to Judah and Benjamin and what few stragglers from other tribes might have wandered back or passed through on trade routes from other provinces outside of Israel. Israel was a flourishing trade center at the time which was the thing that made it such and attractive conquest for the Romans in the first place.
So you agree that Jesus ministered in the immediate area of Israel. Thank you. Now, did He send His Apostles off in the country or out of it before His Resurrection?
That should pretty well dash the myths created by spin in the last number of hours. And since the cat is not only out of the bag; but has been tackled and de-haired at this point, one wonders what masterful creation of the imagination yet awaits us in the next prevarication.
It is these kinds of statements that make us wonder what you are sensing. Nothing you have said "dashes" anything said in the last few hours. you need to calm down and try using facts instead of stating some nonsense and then claiming victory. It's delusional.
Jesus was sent to minister to the lost tribes - as he did in his latter days on earth.
Where is this documented? Where does it say Jesus went out of Israel to preach to the lost tribes in foreign lands?
He commissioned the Apostles to continue that ministry as he had already laid the seed for Judah and Benjamin.
No, He sent the Apostles out with a brand new mission, to preach to all the "nations," not just to those "Jews" whether of lost or found tribes.
Why can't you recognize this fact?
Now, since the 10 tribes were scattered from Assyria to the North, Northeast and to the east, and archeology has nosed into this, we find that they settled in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Iran, Iraq, India, Burma China across even to Japan - documented at this point. Interestingly enough one of the tribal names is translated in Greek to Kimmerian (ie Cimerian as in Conan the..) and in Japanese translates to Samurai. They were skilled fighters and earned a name and a living as soldiers for hire - initially for Assyria as elite Charioteers. The reputation of the name as it translates out to any other language is such that their legend is the stuff myths and fables wish for. Can anyone guess the name?
You know, we were chuckling over a web site that claimed this just a few weeks ago. And here you are presenting it as accepted fact. You guys really shouldn't believe just anythign you read on the internet.
Their travels are known. And because their travels are known, it is possible to say that Rome would be among the farthest points away in the known world from where the Apostles were intended to be ministering. that is, save for Paul.
All of this is possible by you ignoring Jesus sending His Apostles out to all of the nations. Did you get a black pen and just wipe that out of your Bible?
Your contention does nto hold up to scrutiny.
SD
Now, this is the definition of Christ's baptism. Being of fire, it can hardly be of water. No matter the meaning of the word Bapto. It is being applied in a fashion other than intended by the meaning of the word. I know how badly you want to ignore this; but, it wasn't put there for us to ignore. It is a spiritual reference - meaning it is something that doesn't happen as a physical immersion but a spiritual one. It would litterally mean that Jesus would immerse them in the Holy Spirit. Thus the charge is not to be wet; but, to be filled. No need for secret decoder rings and spy gadgets - just for intelligence applied with proper reading skills.
how sad is the carnal mind on display here for all to see. You apparently have never heard of the Pentecost, where Jesus did indeed come upon the Apostles by fire.
You also, in your limited mind, limit God to being able to instill fire by means of water. It is not surprising that a man who feels God unable to change bread into His Body, would likewise find God unable to transmit fire by means of water. But such is the carnal mind, unable to see spiritual truths.
You make much of "spiritual immersion" and, as the natural man would, oppose this to a physical immersion. You miss the beauty of the sacramental economy in this manner. As one is immersed in the water of Baptism, God immerses the person in the fire of the Holy Spirit.
Sacraments are the signs that signify the reality taking place. You just cant imagine God doing such a thing.
It's very sad.
SD
I'd take the Comgregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments (CDW for short). But then, you'd have to fire me.
SD
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