Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
. As I mentioned earlier, this may be exactly right, but you do not know this for a fact. It's a theory.
You are joking, I hope?
Guess we broke tradition :')
And, has the cat been baptized?
. I don't.
Tradition is merely this is the way we have always done it, or the way we have always believed. Facts not needed and often resented. Stagnates change (good or bad). Scientists "traditionally believe a female does not determine a sex and that a woman cloned will produce a female.
I'm not guessing. It is the consistent teaching of the Church that Jesus was truly Mary's Son. If He did not get His humanity from His mother, where woudl He have gotten it?
it's in your churches tradition. Where did this come from. Scripture?
And it does indeed make a huge difference, as I have said before, whether God assumes the human nature we already had, or if He started a new humanity. If He was not truly one of us, related by blood, then He could not have bridged the gap between God and man.
. No way could God have made him like He did Adam, huh?
. No disrespect to surrogate mothers is meant, except for the fact that the idea is abhorrent. Mary is the mother of Jesus. Truly.
Physically or a surrogate. Yes she was. Either way she was blessed.
No, I'm the one that should apolgize. I'm sorry. That was rude of me. Dave was spinning as usually and twisting my words and refusing to answer questions. This is not a catholic issue as far as I'm concerned. It's Dave in his own little world, making the rules up as he goes along. I was working while I was eating lunch and typing too and I got aggravated with him (sorry to you to, Dave)
Two questions for you:
OK
1) If it is refered to as being "born again" or "begotten from above"... what role/choice did you play/have in your own birth? And if "none" why did God choose that example if He didn't want us to "suffer the little children to come unto Me"? And why would you insist on the personal choice aspect of it now? 2) If Baptism replaced circumcision as the rite of initiation into God's covenant family... what choice/role did infants have/play back then? And if God was talking about the same "promise" that is "to you and your children" which was circumcision... don't you think He would have SAID something about changing the rules ("Oh, and no kids anymore, they just make a mess in church")?
I'm sorry. I don't understand. Will you rephrase this?
Oh, good one. Lol. Yall preach tradition to us all the time but let a fundamentalist, ONE TIME, step out and you tell them to get back in the book?
So now an innocent baby will go to hell, if not baptized because born into sin? You have already posted that you don't believe this is so. You never did answer my question. How old were you the last time you were baptized?
tHe AnTiLiB
lol
No papal bull about chocolate.
There may be an exception for mint chocolare chip ice cream (Breyers), but the ice cream may make the chocolate pure. From a theological viewpoint, the chocolate is still impure, but is "covered" by the ice cream.
Of course... I could also theorize that heaven might not be heaven for Jen without chocolate (true love is your wife nibbling the chocolate off of a Snickers bar for you) and it wouldn't be heaven for ME without Jen.... so... maybe it gets some kind of special disensation (maybe there are "chocolate areas" like we have "smoking lounges"?
Or maybe you'll have to slum in Purgatory.
That's right. Blame it on the woman. He could have said no.:')
tHe AnTiLiB
This would have been an awfully boring board if he had.
But you've never been a husband before.... I suspect he couldn't.
:-)
In that very same passage I sent to you concerning Peter, the Rock, etc. it says "...whatever you gain on earth will be gained in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." That is why the Pope is infallible, because obviously, heaven can not lose. Infallibility does not mean the Pope is absent from sin, speaks in perfect grammar, or says only the right thing all the time, every time. The Pope is only infallible when preaching on faith and morals. Now, this gets complicated; infallibility means "free from error," not perfection. So, in conclusion, the Pope when preaching on faith and morals is free from error.
You were the one that started the house analogy.
tHe AnTiLiB
I'd ask what your theory is for what happens to innocent babies, but I'm not really here. I'm testing out a PC for my brother and won't be answering most of today's posts till tomorrow.
You go in for the "age of accountability" thing?
Yeah. Probably up to a higher age than you though.
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