The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams

Previous Thread

[drstevej]

My yard is full of weeds. You can pull them for free!

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I'm starting a new business today down at exit 41 on Hi-way 169 and Memorial, wish me luck. :)

Cash? With that big homestead you got in Oklahoma you can't grow it?

[al_c]

Bring that business to Dallas and you'll be arrested. A new law just went into effect yesterday banning panhandling within the city limits.

[SoothingDave]

Old Testament figuures were in the Limbo of the Fathers until Jesus came. While they were "saved" by faith in a future savior, they were not truly saved until Jesus opened the gate of Heaven after His death of the cross.

That is, the OT folks had to wait until the Crucifixion to receive the necessary graces to enable them to be clean for Heaven.

Mary did not. She was saved before Christ was even born, saved before she was even born. Not the OT salvation that led to Limbo, but the true salvation that made her ready for Heaven.

SD

[SoothingDave]

Better than Prozac, anyway.

SD

[SoothingDave]

A new law just went into effect yesterday banning panhandling within the city limits.

Too bad they didn't have a law against looking down the barrel of a frog-loaded potato gun.

SD

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

My yard is full of weeds. You can pull them for free!

NEWSUPDATE

A riot broke out in drstevej yard between groups of 15 year olds, fighting over who gets to rake his front lawn .

Film at....oh, I don't know....do we really need to get caught up in that time thingy?....hmmmmm, brownies......chips.....twinkies.....

Film? What film?.....man, the radio sure is playing some very cooool music...or is it the lights where the music is coming from....hmmmm...Zzzzzzzzz.

UNDER DEVELOPING

BigMack

[JHavard]

Mary did not. She was saved before Christ was even born, saved before she was even born. Not the OT salvation that led to Limbo, but the true salvation that made her ready for Heaven.

Dave, where do you come up with these things?

JH

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Old Testament figuures were in the Limbo of the Fathers until Jesus came. While they were "saved" by faith in a future savior, they were not truly saved until Jesus opened the gate of Heaven after His death of the cross.

In the Book of Enoch he was in heaven. You may poo poo the book of Enoch but many of your church fathers considered it scripture and Jesus' half brother Jude quoted from it. At any rate, the tradition is as good as anything you would call "sacred" tradition.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Cash? With that big homestead you got in Oklahoma you can't grow it?

Growing will get you 10 years fed time, and fed time is the FULL 10 years.

BigMack

[al_c]

Actually, I think potato guns are illegal here.

No law would've stopped that idiot.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Hey I got a joke for ya.

What did SADDAM HUSSEIN'S oldest son tell him at the start of the U.S. Bombings?

[SoothingDave]

Dave, where do you come up with these things?

It's all quite obvious if you sit down and think about it.

SD

[SoothingDave]

In the Book of Enoch he was in heaven. You may poo poo the book of Enoch but many of your church fathers considered it scripture and Jesus' half brother Jude quoted from it.

I haven't looked at it. In any event, books are not accepted for canonization if they contain some doctrinal error. It could be perectly correct about whatever Jude quoted, but in error about Enoch in Heaven.

At any rate, the tradition is as good as anything you would call "sacred" tradition.

Obviously not.

SD

[JHavard]

It's all quite obvious if you sit down and think about it.

Well, ....I sat down and thought about it, and it still makes no sense to me.

Does that mean I'm not simple enough?

JH :-)

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Well, ....I sat down and thought about it, and it still makes no sense to me. Does that mean I'm not simple enough?

No. It just means you've been standing up too much. :-)

[Invincibly Ignorant]

That is, the OT folks had to wait until the Crucifixion to receive the necessary graces to enable them to be clean for Heaven.

So Moses and Elijah were dispatched to the transfiguration from limbo?

[SoothingDave]

Well, ....I sat down and thought about it, and it still makes no sense to me.

What part is most troubling? The split between before Jesus/after Jesus and there being a difference? The idea of being full of grace meaning one was without sin? That being full of grace means one can enter into God's presence in Heaven?

SD

[SoothingDave]

So Moses and Elijah were dispatched to the transfiguration from limbo?

Good question. Let me say "I don't know."

I'll have to think about it.

SD

[JHavard]

What part is most troubling? The split between before Jesus/after Jesus and there being a difference? The idea of being full of grace meaning one was without sin? That being full of grace means one can enter into God's presence in Heaven?

The part where you find anyplace in the Bible where it says Mary was full of grace.

JH :-)