The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

[RobbyS]

John 4:22-23

[biblewonk]

Mary was conceived w/o Original Sin because Jesus could not be conceived into an imperfect womb.

Jesus was conceived in an imperfect womb. He walked among imperfect people. He ate and drank with sinners. He was spat upon and crucified by imperfect people. He was the only one perfect and simply believing in Him makes us perfect.

[CindyDawg]

simply believing in Him makes us perfect.

It makes us saved, but not perfect.

[CindyDawg]

Thanks. The state finally turned me loose :')

[biblewonk]

It makes us saved, but not perfect.

We are perfect in a sense though still sinners.

[CindyDawg]

Got scripture? :')

[al_c]

June 19th, 325 C.E.

Juneteenth? ;o)

[al_c]

Wow, thanks for the testimonial. You can see why Marianism is my #1 beef with the RC church.

I'd say it's your #1 beef period. You sure do put a lot of effort into this "study." I wonder what kind a graces God would pour out on you (or anyone here) if you (or we) channelled this kind of effort into becoming more like Christ instead of trying to prove the other wrong.

Just a thought.

[SoothingDave]

Who, according to the Pope, "guided" the bullet?

Mary. Which has to be understood in a Catholic context. Mary has no will in Heaven that is different from that of God's. And she has no power in Heaven that is not granted her to use by God.

Has the Pope ever thanked God for doing so?

What do you think? The question is insulting on its face. As if you believe the Pope never thanks God for anything. Please.

SD

[SoothingDave]

Will you please provide Scripture which indicates either/and Jesus paying "honor" to His mother, Mary was without original sin.

Jesus paid honor to His mother when He instituted His first act of ministry, in providing wine for the wedding at Cana. Even though He said it was not yet His time, He honored His mother's request.

SD

[al_c]

Uh ... that's a rooster, geeze. ;o)

[SoothingDave]

Thanks, Chuck. Interesting.

SD

[SoothingDave]

Concerning honoring Jesus mother but not worshiping her, I agree, but do you think a man should first honor his own parents, and spend as much time helping them as most who venerate Mary?

Do you believe God will honor someone who spends all their time in prayers to Jesus mother, when they have not made peace with thier own mother or father?

I'm not sure what you are implying here? That those who have a Marian devotion neglect their families?

Obviously, as much as is possible, a person should honor both their actual parents and their spiritual parents. We know in practice, however, that with some family despite repeated efforts there can be no peace.

With God's family there always can be peace.

SD

[SoothingDave]

You say you are catholic but you don't worship Mary but in your next post you say because she was a mother you have to pray thru her?

No Catholic will say that they "worship" Mary, even if they do ask for her prayers. It is only the Protestant, looking in, who interprets such acts as "worship." Because we differ on definitions.

SD

[SoothingDave]

but in your next post you say because she was a mother you have to pray thru her?

By the way, its not because she was "a mother." Did you intend to minimize her role?

She was not just "a mother." She was the mother of the Savior. Maybe you don't think that's a special honor.

SD

[al_c]

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The Easter Triduum

Thursday, April 17, 2003
Holy Thursday Evening – Mass of the Lord’s Supper

First Reading: Responsorial Psalm: Second Reading: Gospel:

Exodus 12:1-8, 11-14 Psalm 116:12-13, 15-18 1 Corinthians 11:23-26 John 13:1-15 May God have mercy on us, and bless us: may he cause the light of his countenance to shine upon us, and may he have mercy on us.  -- Psalm lxvi. 2

The following is, as usual, from The Word Among Us:

Holy Thursday

Today, at the beginning of the great Easter Triduum, it is fitting that we read about the Israelites as they prepared to leave their former lives of slavery in Egypt. During this weekend of immense power and grace, God calls us to prepare for our own exodus, for the freedom that he has won for us by his cross.

All week long, we have been asking, "What has the cross of Christ accomplished?" Today, in the story of the first Passover, we can see a foreshadowing of the blood that Jesus shed on the cross, and the power of that blood to overcome sin and death. At the first Passover, the Israelites were to place the blood of a slaughtered lamb over the doorposts of their homes as protection from the destroying angel. This lamb was to be without blemish, just as Jesus was without sin—a perfect and fully acceptable offering to the Father. Now, because he shed his blood for us, Jesus has won for us protection against the forces of evil.

When God looks upon the blood of Jesus, death and sin pass over us. Through faith in this blood, we experience our own exodus from slavery and are brought into his presence. Our own attempts to free ourselves, our own efforts to find favor with God, will always fall short. Instead of trying to make ourselves holy by relying solely on our hard work, we must be sure we are covered by the blood of the Lamb. Then, we will know protection from the snares of the evil one and deliverance from the power of sin.

Just as God ransomed the Israelites from the land of Egypt, Jesus has ransomed us. Just as Moses delivered the Israelites from the heavy hand of Pharaoh, Jesus has freed us from slavery to the devil. As you enter into this weekend of grace and power, place before the Lord all those things that keep you bound to the ways of this world. Ask him to show you his glory as you wait for him this weekend.

"Lord Jesus, you are the great deliverer. I want to spend the next three days preparing for your deliverance. I await your resurrection with my staff in hand, with sandals on my feet, and dressed ready to follow you to freedom. Come, Lord, and deliver all your people!"

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God bless.

AC

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

OOhhh...that's right, I remember now, an audit or inspectionof some kind right? How did it turn out?

Becky

[CindyDawg]

By the way, its not because she was "a mother." Did you intend to minimize her role? She was not just "a mother." She was the mother of the Savior. Maybe you don't think that's a special honor.

You know I wasn't "minimizing" her role, but I don't "maximize" her role either. She was honored and I admire and respect what she did just like I do for others the Bible speaks about, that accepted God's will and did great things thru Him. I don't pray thru her to Jesus though and I don't think she likes it when yall do either since as was said "her will is God's will" and nowhere in the Bible do I find that God says you "will" pray through the mother to reach the Son. Show me scripture where I am wrong.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I wonder what kind a graces God would pour out on you (or anyone here) if you (or we) channelled this kind of effort into becoming more like Christ instead of trying to prove the other wrong.

We wonder what the efforts to become more like Christ would accomplish within the Catholic church if they didn't obsess and believe false doctrine about Mary. I'm sure Wonk has your best interests at heart.

[al_c]

No he doesn't. He has his interests at heart.

And I do not obsess over the Mary issue. Sorry to disappoint you.