The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

[SoothingDave]

If, over the Easter weekend, you see video of two men picketing in St. Peter's Square, with signs reading NOT MARY'S OVUM, you'll know who it is. ;o)

There's a "keep your roasaries off my ovaries" joke in there somewhere.

SD

[malakhi]

If He was not related to us, not a human of Adam's line, then how is He our Savior?

Now that I think about it, this would also have the effect of removing any possibility of Jesus literally being from the line of David. If Joseph is not his bio-dad, and Mary is not his bio-mom, then how can he be said to have any claim to the throne of David?

There shall come forth a shoot from the stump of Jesse, and a branch shall grow out of his roots. (Isaiah 11:1)

Instead of a branch growing out of the roots, we have a whole brand new branch, attached, apparently, to nothing at all.

This begins to sound like a variety of Docetism.

Valentinus the Egyptian attempted to accommodate his system still more closely to Christian doctrine by admitting not merely the reality of the Saviour's body but even a seeming birth, saying that the Saviour's body passed through Mary as through a channel (hos dia solenos) though he took nothing from her, but had a body from above. (Catholic Encyclopedia, Docetism)

[SoothingDave]

I'll stick with the roast beef!

We'll go to my mother-in-law's. She always plops slices of kielbasa in the gingerale/cherry juice/pineapple juice mixture in the bottom of the roasting pan. It's like gloriously candied hunks of pork fat. Yummy yummy!

SD

[malakhi]

None of them asked to go with me again tho. :-)

Why? Did you make 'em wear a beanie? ;o)

[malakhi]

It's like gloriously candied hunks of pork fat. Yummy yummy!

Ugh!

[SoothingDave]

If Joseph is not his bio-dad, and Mary is not his bio-mom, then how can he be said to have any claim to the throne of David?

I guess the answer is that "whatever He was" He was adopted by Joseph. This begins to sound like a variety of Docetism.

There is nothing new under the sun.

SD

[SoothingDave]

Ugh!

Beef fat?

Well, the bunny lived through the night and my wife has gotten some special milk for him. The cat even sat and watched my wife feed him. Maybe they'll play together when he grows up.

SD

[biblewonk]

Now that I think about it, this would also have the effect of removing any possibility of Jesus literally being from the line of David. If Joseph is not his bio-dad, and Mary is not his bio-mom, then how can he be said to have any claim to the throne of David?

See what I posted about Melchisedec(sp) from Hebrews and his not having mother, father, beginning of days nor end of life.

[malakhi]

See what I posted about Melchisedec(sp) from Hebrews and his not having mother, father, beginning of days nor end of life.

Yes, I saw that. Did you see my response? You cannot assume that, just because scripture doesn't explicitly list a person's parentage or vital statistics, they therefore have no human parents and/or are immortal.

Case in point. Nowhere in the gospels do you find mention of Pontius Pilate's parents. Can I therefore assume that he had no mother or father?

[malakhi]

And by this we may be sure that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
He who says "I know him" but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him (1 John 2:3-4)

Hmmm...

[malakhi]

Becky, do you remember what I posted last week, about viewing Jesus's death as an act of reconciling the world with God, rather than as one of atoning for sin? Check this out.

that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. (2 Corinthians 5:19)

[Invincibly Ignorant]

And by this we may be sure that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He who says "I know him" but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him (1 John 2:3-4)

Ya but I'm not under the law. :-)

[biblewonk]

Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

The bible says Melchisdec is like Jesus in this way.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Ya but I'm not under the law. :-)

That's what I'm gonna tell the next officer that pulls me over for speeding. :-)

[OLD REGGIE]

Wow. Thanks for the superficial analysis, Kevin.

Now try the Biblical examples. Like "she had no more children till the day she died."

I assume you are using this rediculous example to show she had no more children until the day she died and, since Scripture doesn't lie, she had other children on the day she died. Stupid isn't it?

Lets use your logic on Matthew 1:25.

RSV but knew her not until she had borne a son; and he called his name Jesus.

The same logic proves Joseph "knew her not" until she had born a son.

Try again.

The NAB is an approved Catholic Bible isn't it?

NAB He had no relations with her until she bore a son, (12) and he named him Jesus.

Note: (12) Until she bore a son: the evangelist is concerned to emphasize that Joseph was not responsible for the conception of Jesus. The Greek word translated "until" does not imply normal marital conduct after Jesus' birth, nor does it exclude it.

[OLD REGGIE]

I have also been told that if you take a cats kill away from it, it will quit hunting, My cat is here to keep mice out of the house. So he gets to keep what ever he kills.

I took a chipmunk away from my cat one day. The poor chipmunk was so traumatized he just stayed frozen in place. I actually had to shoo him away.

The next day my cat left a headless chipmunk on the porch. What was he telling me?

[ksen]

The next day my cat left a headless chipmunk on the porch. What was he telling me?

He was making you an offer you couldn't refuse. Was your cat from Sicily by any chance?

[OLD REGGIE]

I agree. You do all of these. Nowhere does the Bible say that Mary and Joseph had sexual relations. Yet you insist that yours is the "Biblical" position. It's so much hogwash.

Stick to what the Bible says or remain silent. That's your philosophy, so do it.

Nowhere does the Bible say Jesus had brothers and sisters.

Wait! It does say so? Oh, nevermind.

[malakhi]

The bible says Melchisdec is like Jesus in this way.

And this is to be taken literally? Melchizedek literally had no father, no mother, nor beginning of days, nor end of life? This isn't just a way of saying that this information is not revealed in Genesis?

If this passage is literally true, then Melchizedek is alive today. Where is he?

[SoothingDave]

I assume you are using this rediculous example to show she had no more children until the day she died and, since Scripture doesn't lie, she had other children on the day she died. Stupid isn't it?

You know better than that. I use it to show that the use of the word "till" does not have to mean anything about what happens after. It is merely a statement of truth up to the moment of hte "till."

You know this.

The woman no more had children after she died than Mary had to have relations after Jesus was born. "Till" does not have to mean that. It can or it can not.

The Greek word translated "until" does not imply normal marital conduct after Jesus' birth, nor does it exclude it.

Yes, that is exactly right, which is why the footnote is there. Thanks for quoting it. The use of "till" does not either imply or exclude. We must look to other evidence, as this is not conclusive.

You can certainly read it the Protestant way if you want to. But it is not cut-and-dried that that is what it means.

SD