The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Oh Mack.........I really want to know if there's some Hebrew word that makes "The Lord our God" in the Shema plural? If its just an assumption that's fine but if it's not I'd like to know cuz it would be real helpful in my witness.

[nate4one]

Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

I havn't met Paul He wrote the Bible for petes sake!!
Show me a man appointed by GOD with a gift of knowledge like Paul.

Guess what, there aren't any. there are good intentioned and some not so good intentions "preachers" of half truths. Hence the overwhelming number of denominations.

I will worship God and I will gather together. But I will not subject myself to someones unchallenged 1 hour of OPINION. Just like I would not expect you to listen to mine without stepping in when you feel it necessary.
Nate

[malakhi]

I'm giving up talking to you about Christ being God

If I may ask one more question before we leave off this topic... Why, in your belief, is it necessary that this tzaddik, this perfectly righteous man who is perfectly united with God in will and Spirit, who voluntarily gives up his life in an act of perfect love, in order to reconcile this fallen world with God ... why is it necessary to believe that he is also one in Being with God?

I'm gonna keep praying for you and turn you over to God, you're in big trouble now. :)

I'll happily take your prayers. God bless you, friend.

[malakhi]

What about the Exodus?

Hi trad, if you read through a few of my subsequent posts, you'll see that I went into the subject in further depth. If I still haven't answered your question, I'll take another go at it.

[SoothingDave]

I will worship God and I will gather together. But I will not subject myself to someones unchallenged 1 hour of OPINION.

Certainly you won't find this in my church, and I suspect that most of my non-Catholics friends here are the same. "Opinion" or preachign by the preacher are a part of the worship service, but not its totality. People go to sing songs of praise, to hear the Word read and to offer their prayers and concerns to the Lord.

Even if "opinion" is offered, it is not the main reason to attend a worship service. Worship, by praise and song is.

SD

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Oh Mack.........I really want to know if there's some Hebrew word that makes "The Lord our God" in the Shema plural? If its just an assumption that's fine but if it's not I'd like to know cuz it would be real helpful in my witness.

Its just an assumption. But you can't discount it all together and the rest of the verses that scream out about the trinity.

BigMack

[SoothingDave]

Hi trad, if you read through a few of my subsequent posts, you'll see that I went into the subject in further depth. If I still haven't answered your question, I'll take another go at it.

You said a lot of things, but not on specifics. Was the Exodus real? Is it a total fabrication? Or is what we ahve now "based on" a true story?

If you celebrate Passover, are you commemorating a real event or not?

And if Moses never went up the mountain and received the Law, if it was a gradual divinely-inspired work, then when did God and the Israelites make their covenant?

The Bible says that Moses spilled blood on the altar and on the people when they accepted the covenant. Did this not happen?

SD

[SoothingDave]

Why, in your belief, is it necessary that this tzaddik, this perfectly righteous man who is perfectly united with God in will and Spirit, who voluntarily gives up his life in an act of perfect love, in order to reconcile this fallen world with God ... why is it necessary to believe that he is also one in Being with God?

Jesus forgave sins, and passed on this power to forgive sins to the Apostles. Forgiving sin is in the purview of God, and for a man to claim that he could do so is blasphemy. Jesus needs to be God in order to do this.

SD

[trad_anglican]

Hi trad, if you read through a few of my subsequent posts, you'll see that I went into the subject in further depth.

I did see them after I posted, though it kind of went off in a different vein. I'm a bit unclear on whether you view the exodus of having happened sans miracles and then the miracles got added over time or if you believe in the miraculous nature of that event as described in scripture.

The conversation seems to have moved on so I won't hold your feet to the fire for an answer.

Most of the snow went north of us (Des Moines). Is it staying south of you? We've got about 3 inches on the ground and it seems to have stopped.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Here's more.

Genesis 1:1. The Hebrew word for God here is Elohim. This is a plural noun, but the verb is singular. This teaches that there is one God in a plurality.

Genesis 1:26. Again God is spoken of as plural, Elohim, yet we know from other O.T. passages that God is one (De. 6:4).

Genesis 11:7,8. Here again God is spoken of in the plural and in the singular at the same time.

Deuteronomy 6:4. This verse could be translated, "Jehovah our Elohim is a united Jehovah." The word "one" refers to a unity. The same word for one is used in Ge. 2:24, speaking of the oneness of a husband and wife. This verse summarizes the Bible's teaching about God. He is one but exists in three Persons.

Psalm 45:6,7. According to He. 1:8,9, God the Father is speaking in Psalm 45, and He is referring to the Son as God. Sometime people ask, "If Jesus Himself was God, why did He address the Father as God?" The answer is that Jesus addressed the Father as God for the same reason that the Father addressed the Son as God--because they are both God!

Isaiah 48:16. Here the Lord Jesus, the Son of God, is speaking and referring to God the Father and the Holy Spirit (compare Jn. 18:20).

The Trinity is seen in Christ's life. At His incarnation and birth (Lk. 1:35). At His baptism (Mt. 3:16,17). At His resurrection (Compare Ac. 2:24; Jn. 2:19,21; 1 Pe. 3:18).

Each Person of the Trinity is said to do the same works. Creation (compare Is. 44:24; Col. 1:16; Job 26:13). Indwelling the Christian (compare Ro. 8:9,10,11). Salvation (Ep. 2:18). The New Covenant (He. 9:14). Election (1 Pe. 1:2).


BigMack

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

why is it necessary to believe that he is also one in Being with God?

Because only God could die and pay for mans sins, no mere man could of done this.

BigMack

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Its just an assumption. But you can't discount it all together and the rest of the verses that scream out about the trinity.

If the New Testament doesn't scream out Trinity and they had to have a special counsel to determine that thousands of people were wrong in their view of the trinity, how is it that the OT is "screaming out" trinity? :-)

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

When I first meet you in person, you will never know if I'm going to punch you out or shake your hand. :)

BigMack

[Invincibly Ignorant]

When I first meet you in person, you will never know if I'm going to punch you out or shake your hand. :)

No prob. Just as long as you don't kiss me. :-)

[nate4one]

Worship, by praise and song is.

Good to go. Then It proves I can fulfill this with my friends on Saturday when we do just this in a Bible study.

[Quester]

Show me a man appointed by GOD with a gift of knowledge like Paul.

Guess what, there aren't any.

You know that the above is true ?

Has God called you to such a knowledge or are you merely assuming ?

[nate4one]

Its just an assumption.

I love ya man,
But hypocrisy is hard core in here.

At least when I make an "allegorical" assumption on a fulfillment, I back it up with past examples of how that language was used to fulfill similar prophecies in the past!
Nate

[nate4one]

Deuteronomy 6:4. This verse could be translated, "Jehovah our Elohim is a united Jehovah."

Extracting foot from mouth..........Now...

I should have read farther. Nice Job and ........sorry! :o)
Nate

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Nate I like you, but don't think for a moment I give and credit to anything you post, you're fun to watch, but thats about it.

Now be a good boy and go TALK an Iraqi to death. :)

BigMack

[nate4one]

You know that the above is true ? Has God called you to such a knowledge or are you merely assuming ?

Are you kidding? Or are you Catholic?