Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Not being an electrical engineer, you may not be aware of the principle that the $2000 widget will sacrifice itself to save the 20 cent fuse.
This goes along with the value of whatever you drop being directly proportional to how far under the bench it rolls.
You can keep your weather. Last sunday and monday's snow was a nice capper for the season. Today it's in the high 60s or low 70s. Perfect day for a ball game.
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That is what I would expect.
I think that even in agreeing to follow the Law, the Israelites were showing faith in God and His promises. I don't think that faith and works can be separated. You can't have one without the other.
I wouldn't say that. I think much that Paul wrote was good. His emphasis on the universality of God's revelation was very important. He certainly helped push the Nazarene movement into accepting people from all backgrounds. It is true that Judaism accepted proselytes, and fellowshipped with "godfearers" or gentile monotheists. But Paul really opened it up to allow everyone to become sons of God.
I would say also that Paul's theology was very influential in the writing of the gospels, so I think it is important to keep that in mind in reading them.
Yes.
even to the extent that the two Apostles which wrote Gospel accounts (Matthew and John) were led astray ?
We don't know that Matthew and John wrote those accounts. That is tradition! ;o) We also don't know if they were edited after they were written, another possibility. I wouldn't say it was a matter of being "led astray". I'd say there were competing interpretations of the meaning of Jesus, and Paul's interpretation carried the day.
So, then, you propose that the Apostles came to believe in the Resurrection as a result of Paul's persuasion ...
NO! I think the belief in the resurrection goes back to the earliest days of the Jerusalem church. It was one of the primary beliefs distinguishing them from other Jews.
What of the first-hand testimony of the Apostles interaction with the risen JESUS ?
We know of this testimony only through the recorded gospel accounts, which were set down many years later. We only know what the gospel writers tell us. The resurrection accounts even differ in details from gospel to gospel. Something happened, and it made Jesus's followers believe that he had been resurrected. Perhaps this experience was of a vision of Jesus sitting at the right hand of the Father, as is reported of Steven in Acts. I would hesitate to accept the gospel resurrection accounts literally.
Electrician dude checked it out, and said that it isn't anything in our building. We called the power company and they said they've been having problems in our area with low voltage -- not enough electrons in the pipe, I guess. Hopefully we'll be back 100% tomorrow!
Do you mean the west division from the other conference?
Malakhi- Consider this:………James 2:20-24 Do you want to be shown, you shallow man, that faith apart from works is barren?
Paul was clearly telling us that keeping the law will not justify us, and James is saying that when you have been justified, good works will follow and show your faith that others will see it by the works of love that you do.
Paul’s talking about the works of the law that are not able to save or justify a man, (following the many laws that require work,) and James is talking about the good works of faith and love, not works of the law.
Two completely different meanings of the word “works”.
The works of the law could be the 5rd commandment, to honor your mother and father. A man could by the law, go through all the motions of giving honor to them and be far from it in his heart, so the true keeping of honor has to come from the heart, not ordered by the law.
It would be considered the works of the law, or to a Christian, believing the law will give us salvation.
JH :-)
We don't know that Matthew and John wrote those accounts. That is tradition!
Yes, indeed ... it is all tradition to me and you ... for neither you nor I know who wrote any of the pertinent documents. We are left to trust our sources ... or not.
How then, shall we decide what we shall believe or not believe ?
Starting at a point of commonality ... I believe that we both believe in the one God of the Old Testament.
Going on, I believe that we both believe that this God, which we have come to believe in as ... our God ... has promised to enlighten us as to His truth ... as we prayfully strive to draw near to Him and, thus, ... His truth.
So it comes down to this ... that we must trust God ... even to understand His truth.
May God ever be so gracious unto us as to provide such understanding to us.
The resurrection accounts even differ in details from gospel to gospel. Something happened, and it made Jesus's followers believe that he had been resurrected. Perhaps this experience was of a vision of Jesus sitting at the right hand of the Father, as is reported of Steven in Acts.
The Gospel accounts differ slightly in detail from one to another ... as one would expect that they would ... coming as they do from four differents witnesses, ... and two of them second-hand in nature.
For them to be any more consistent ... who cause one to suspect collusion.
And ... despite such minor differences in the telling ... they all tell the same story.
As to the accounts of the resurrection ... what would cause one to doubt the literalness of all four accounts ? On what basis is such a judgement made ?
And, if so for these New Testament documents ... what of the Old Testament documents ?
I believe, once again, that it boils down to trusting God to provide us with His truth. May He do so ... as we draw near to Him.
God's Blessings. I am away for a weekend with 25 teenagers ... pray for me.
Quester
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The temperature was minus 13 for the start of the NFL championship game in 1967 in Green Bay, Wis. The Packers won, 21-17 when Bart Starr scored on a 1-yard sneak with 13 seconds left.
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Man, I wish I was old enough back then to remember that game. What a classic!
I'd like to see this movie show this game in a factual, realistic way, but I won't get my hopes up because this is the same screenwriter that gave us Basic Instinct and the wretched Showgirls.
Oh my. Good luck! ;o)
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