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To: Iowegian; Dr. Brian Kopp; OxfordMovement;
Iowegian, honestly you have no way of knowing what was in Terry's mind when she used the phrase "Storm troopers". I have chosen to accept her apology and move on. Judging from my freepmail everyone who has locked horns with her before whether RC, Methodist, Mormon or what have you -- all of them believe she meant Nazi. Neither their negative assessment or your positive view constitute a reality. We pray that all of us are people of our word, and with that sort of respect for each other we must move forward.

Your criticism of those of us who opposed her choice of language is not helpful or constructive even if it is your heartfelt view. Proposing solutions for how to handle such disagreements is important, and you were moving in that direction with your mention of the use of freepmail. But there needs to be more to a method of resolution than that. The original offending post would need to be deleted and those involved take it to freepmail for resolution. Et cetera et cetera. If anyone is interested in working on a voluntary code for such disagreements, it would be a valuable tool for all of us who passionately love our faiths to the consternation of others.

709 posted on 04/04/2002 2:03:24 PM PST by father_elijah
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To: father_elijah
Iowegian, honestly you have no way of knowing what was in Terry's mind when she used the phrase "Storm troopers". I have chosen to accept her apology and move on. Judging from my freepmail everyone who has locked horns with her before whether RC, Methodist, Mormon or what have you -- all of them believe she meant Nazi. Neither their negative assessment or your positive view constitute a reality. We pray that all of us are people of our word, and with that sort of respect for each other we must move forward.

Thank you for the slander father.Close to being called a liar is almost as good as whinning...ask Brian

711 posted on 04/04/2002 2:08:36 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: father_elijah, RnMomof7
elijah, (and what a beautiful name elijah!) Maybe we don't know each other and yet we do. We talked once on a thread long ago and though we were on opposite sides, you treated me with great consideration and kindness, and I have never forgotten it. I was struck by your spiritual sweetness and I know that you are the real deal. In the same way, I know Terry. She would not deliberately cause you pain and I am sure of that. Early on in our relationship Terry and I disliked each other intensely and we would be enemies today if she had not forgiven me first. Just as I see in you what I do, I can also see Terry's heart, and truly, she would never deliberately cause you one second of distress. Sincerest regards, TTC
714 posted on 04/04/2002 2:50:58 PM PST by la$tminutepardon
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To: father_elijah
Iowegian, honestly you have no way of knowing what was in Terry's mind when she used the phrase "Storm troopers". I have chosen to accept her apology and move on.

Fine with me, but then why don't you leave it, Brian is the one that brought it up in order to bash Terry all over again, even after her apology. The issue is dead to me, but you say you have forgiven her, but you clearly still harbor ill will toward her and don't believe her. I choose to believe her.

Judging from my freepmail everyone who has locked horns with her before whether RC, Methodist, Mormon or what have you -- all of them believe she meant Nazi.

This is kind of amusing to me because of on the NES thread whenever the issue of whether RC's worship or venerate Mary comes up, they say "you can't judge what's in a man's hearts", even though I am in the same building and can see and hear what they are doing. But you guys judge Terry and you don't really know her and haven't met her, you are not judging righteously IMO. Just let it go.

Your criticism of those of us who opposed her choice of language is not helpful or constructive even if it is your heartfelt view. Proposing solutions for how to handle such disagreements is important, and you were moving in that direction with your mention of the use of freepmail. But there needs to be more to a method of resolution than that. The original offending post would need to be deleted and those involved take it to freepmail for resolution. Et cetera et cetera. If anyone is interested in working on a voluntary code for such disagreements, it would be a valuable tool for all of us who passionately love our faiths to the consternation of others.

While I respect your opinion and don't doubt any personal pain it caused you, I still think we all need to take ourselves a little less seriously and come off our high horses. Brian is personally responsible for getting many posters banned, which is a shame. But my guess is that in private he is proud of this. Freedom is important, remember the F in Free Republic, we show be quick to listen (read) and slow to speak (post) and only hit the abuse button as a last resort, not at first glance IMO. I don't think we can say anything we want, but did you start by Freepmailing Terry in private? I'm sure you are aware of this Scripture, but I post it for anyone else who might read this:

"If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector."

My suggestion is that on this religious forum somehow we incorporate this into our interpersonal alleged offensive post policy. The first step would be freepmail explaining why you find it offensive, the last step, and only as a last resort would be banning. Just my ideas for what it's worth.

Regards

715 posted on 04/04/2002 3:03:00 PM PST by Iowegian
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