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not lucifers big bro..born because the father and mother had sex

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Isa 14:4 you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: "How the oppressor has ceased, the insolent fury ceased!
Isa 14:5 The LORD has broken the staff of the wicked, the scepter of rulers, Isa 14:6 that smote the peoples in wrath with unceasing blows, that ruled the nations in anger with unrelenting persecution. Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest and quiet; they break forth into singing. Isa 14:8 The cypresses rejoice at you, the cedars of Lebanon, saying, 'Since you were laid low, no hewer comes up against us.' Isa 14:9 Sheol beneath is stirred up to meet you when you come, it rouses the shades to greet you, all who were leaders of the earth; it raises from their thrones all who were kings of the nations. Isa 14:10 All of them will speak and say to you: 'You too have become as weak as we! You have become like us!' Isa 14:11 Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, the sound of your harps; maggots are the bed beneath you, and worms are your covering.
Isa 14:12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star [Lucifer], son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!
Isa 14:13 You said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far north;

Your #133:

I am shocked ... shocked ... that you Calvinists are once again trying to hijack a thread for your own purposes. We have gone over this stuff many times before -- and surely will do so again -- but not here. I will respond on the current Calvinist endless-discussion thread, and leave this one for the voting on angelo's list of topics for the new Religion Forum.

All your efforts to prove me wrong -- or whatever you all are trying to do -- have failed, and will fail. All you succeed in doing is giving everyone else a very unfavorable impression of yourselves. You don't like it? Read the paragraph above.