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To: ArGee
Yes I'm an atheist. And whether or not I'll believe depends on the answer.
995 posted on 01/06/2002 6:31:51 AM PST by discostu
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To: discostu
discostu: But again this [issue of whether those who never heard of Jesus is saved] is one of the important questions for the atheist.

ArGee: If you will answer two questions for me, then I will answer the burning issue of those who never had a chance to hear the name of Jesus for you. I will answer it from the Bible so that you will know it is Christian doctrine.

1. Are you an atheist?

2. If I answer that question, will you believe in G-d?

discostu: Yes I'm an atheist. And whether or not I'll believe depends on the answer.

I will not hold you to your word, but G-d may. I will merely keep my word and answer your question from the Bible. I use the NIV on-line in case such distinctions are important to you.

1 Peter 3:18-20 For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,
The "spirits in prison" are those who were dead before Christ was born. Peter references the days of Noah - a code for the days before there was any Christ so that no one could be righteous. If you read the rest of the passage you will see the connection between the Ark, which saved Noah's family, and Christ, which saves mankind. Clearly, Christ went to the land of the dead and preached the message before he left the tomb. Those who have no way to hear the message on earth will be given the message before they have to make the choice. I don't fully understand all the places that the dead dwell - there is still controversy in the Church about things like purgatory - but I believe that Jesus will guarantee everyone a chance to hear, just as He did those who died before He was born in time.

As an indirect proof:

Luke 16:22-23 "The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
The rich man was in hell, far away from Abraham. The obvious point is that Abraham was in heaven. Yet Abraham died long before Christ was born. Christ Himself told us that Abraham would be in heaven. Therefore, Christ himself promised a way for those who never had a chance to hear the Gospel while alive.

As purely anecdotal evidence, I once heard a woman speak who was raised in an Islamic nation where Christian testimony was illegal. She claimed to have heard the Gospel in a dream and to have converted to Christianity long before she met a Christian. You can not judge the validity of her claim, of course, but I can at least say that I never learned any reason why a woman raised as a Muslim would have made that up.

I hope this helps. I surely pray that this was the only stumbling block keeping you from the table.

Shalom.

1,076 posted on 01/07/2002 5:29:32 AM PST by ArGee
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