Why Christians Don't Understand Non-Christians

ArGee | 1/3/01 | ArGee

[Elsie]

It would appear that some people are unable to discern that killing a child (or anyone else without just cause for that matter) is wrong, unless they are told so by someone claiming to represent an unseeable God.

As for me, I'd suggest that my moral code (derived by reason) suffices just fine.

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HMmmm.........

Can your moral code (derived by reason) explain how abortion is legal then?

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And...... how values are assigned to determine a JUST cause?

[Romulus]

In my opinion, upon reaching the kingdom of heaven Job would have been perfectly entitled to punch God right in the nose.

Why? Because Job had some sovereign rights superior to God? What kind of god would that be? If it's too much to ask you to be a believer, can you not at least concede the theoretical point of Job -- that God, being perfectly justified in his absolute sovereignty, has has no need of human approval?

[RaceBannon]

Yeah...where were you, by the way...(You understand that is why I posted it to you...right?)

[OWK]

As I mentioned in a previous thread, it never ceases to amaze how many people feel qualified to comment on Scripture and theology without knowing anything about the subject.

I wouldn't be too quick to judge people's knowledge of scripture and theology without knowing anything about them if I were you. You're likely to find yourself somewhat embarassed.

But if it makes you feel better to dismiss anything I may have to say with a wave of the hand, because you don't think I'm "qualified", then feel free to do so.

It makes you look rather petty though.

[Elsie]

I always find it interesting that people could actually believe there was a tree of life, or that a book could accurately tell you what the very first humans on earth did and talked about.

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Ha! I can top THAT!

MILLIONS of people actually believe that all life came from rocks and water and lightning! (and lots and lots of time)

[reg45]

I fear only God.

Why do you fear him?

The only people who fear G-d are people who believe that His Justice is greater than His Mercy!

[BMCDA]

(I always find it interesting that Adam COULD have eaten from the Tree of Life, but didn't.)

LOL. Maybe it's because Eve encountered the talking snake in the "tree of knowledge of good and evil" first and not the singing opossum in the "tree of eternal life" ;->

[OWK]

You understand that is why I posted it to you...right?

It occurred to me, yes.

[reg45]

I fear only God.

The First Commandment says that we should LOVE G-d, not fear Him.

[Elsie]

As many on this Forum know, I am an elderly Jew who is totally satisfied with what Judaism offers. Judaism is much more emphatic about living the proper life here on earth than most other religions. The Ten Commandments are not "suggestions", and their violation is not something easily remediated by confession or "finding God".

Nevertheless, God tells us that in the long run, ALL GOOD MEN GO TO HEAVEN (including those who do not believe as we do).

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Well then, could you please can and paste the text from the online Scrolls to illustrate your point?

All I have is an Old Testement from my Bible. Will that do just as well?

I am particularly interested in the definition of a 'good' man.

[OWK]

Can your moral code (derived by reason) explain how abortion is legal then?

My moral code (derived by reason) recognizes abortion as immoral, just as your moral code (derived from God) does.

Peculiar huh?

[Matchett-PI]

"..faith..not logic."

Christianity is a rational faith.

Philosophical thinking is what every mature, rational person does.

If you claim to embrace "the Christian faith", you surely realize that by merely making that claim, you are saying that you *know* what it is.

For instance ... I'm sure you know that certain essential (cardinal/core) doctrines are what make up the "Christian religion". What are they? And I'm also sure you know that if one steps outside those essentials of the faith and teaches or believes a different God and a different gospel, then that one is stepping outside the Christian faith.

That's fine. People do it all the time. The only time there is a problem with that is when they still think they can legitimately call what they believe "the Christian faith".

[OWK]

Do you enjoy being abused?

I enjoy defending my position.

And every once in awhile, a little light clicks on for someone.... somewhere.

That makes me happy.

[Kevin Curry]

The salvation and damnation of souls ultimately is a great mystery. I understand salvation through Christ. But what of those who did not know Christ? Jesus Christ spoke of a lake of fire, so I truly believe there is such a place. But for whom, exactly? The answer is not as clear as some assert that it is. Some things are still discerned only vaguely, "as through a glass darkly." God in His wisdom has seen fit to leave some matters unfocused for now.

This I do believe: all who have ever lived will someday bend the knee and acknowledge that God was and is perfect in His judgments--some to their joy and some to their shame. Like Paul, I do not dare to presume to judge even myself in this matter.

[RMrattlesnake]

Christain understand non-christains becouse at one time all christains were non-christains you are not born christain. But non-christain can never understand christains becauses they never were.

[stuartcr]

OK, I give. Since I have no idea how life originated, then I guess snakes could talk, and maybe there was an apple. Just too bad all this happened so long ago that there's no way to validate it. Ya gotta believe something.

[stuartcr]

OK, I give. Since I have no idea how life originated, then I guess snakes could talk, and maybe there was an apple. Just too bad all this happened so long ago that there's no way to validate it. Ya gotta believe something.

[MissAmericanPie]

They live in their world and we live in ours. I can't judge someone that isn't a believer because this place is all they are capable of grasping, and to try to explain your sure and solid knowledge is like trying to explain color to a blind man. This is why the name of Jesus should be spoken often, there is power in that name to turn the little light on inside someone that mere words will never convey and will never be capable of conveying.

[stuartcr]

Sorry for the double.

[savedbygrace]

Whose definition of "loving" will win out, OWK's (based totally on an extremely limited understanding of all the factors involved) or God's (based on a total and perfect understanding of everything)? Hmmmmmm. Tough choice . . . .