Did the Catholic Church Change the Sabbath?

Caller: So did the Catholic Church, did they change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday?

Mark Brumley: I’m gonna say no, and I’m gonna say no because we don’t understand Sunday to be the Sabbath.

The Sabbath is the seventh day. In the Old Testament it was part of the covenant and part of God’s commandment to observe the seventh day as a way of acknowledging the goodness of God’s original creation and God’s saving act of bringing Israel out of bondage in Egypt and establishing Israel as his new covenant people, as the beginning of the process of bringing about a new creation. So that’s what the Sabbath meant.

In the New Testament, when Jesus dies and rises again on the third day—he comes back to life, he’s resurrected, transformed by God the Father on Sunday—then what was the way of acknowledging God by honoring a certain day related to God’s actions, would have been the Sabbath, gets transformed into the first day—you know, it’s the first day of the week—the first day of the new creation.

Although his theology is incorrect, what I admire about this Catholic Answer man is his honesty. By that I mean, I don't think he attempts to show observing the 1st day started with the apostolic church. We know it didn't. Sunday came over 100 years later. (Acts 13:44, Revelation 1:10, etc)

Sunday is the result of a "tradition" based on the resurrection event. It gradually came into the church over the centuries, not an explicit command by our Lord or any other text. Notice he does not cite a single text.

There are several errors in his theology which we can discuss. i.e. the 7th day was hallowed BEFORE the fall of man. So it cannot be merely ceremonial pointing to the cross, like say the annual sabbaths or circumcision which came AFTEr the fall.

The 7th day Sabbath blessing and God making it a holy day PREDATES Sin. It does not point forward to the cross, it points backward to a perfect creation described in Genesis.

Had Adam never fallen, the Sabbath day blessing and holiness of the day would continue to be a blessed hallowed day as it is today in a fallen world.

The caller is rightfully confused.

Let’s begin by showing there this man’s theology is in error point by point. I have no doubt he is a good Christian man. He is just confused.

He states the following:

“The Sabbath is the seventh day. In the Old Testament it was part of the covenant........”

Response:
His clear implication here is that the Sabbath day is Jewish. Thus, he does not believe in a “primitive” Sabbath. In his mind, God blesses the 7th day, sets apart the 7th day as a special day, Hallows the 7th day, sanctifies the 7th day, (see virtually every Bible translation on Genesis 2:2 and 3)......

But for some unknown reason, apparently waits to release this special day thousands of years until the Jews appear on the scene.

In our study of the scripture, and I like what the Seventh day Adventist book Questions on Doctrines states...the 7th day Sabbath is for all people for all time. It originted in Eden, where we see the 7 day week cycle begin, of which there is no other reason to have other than the weekly Sabbath day, and It is prominent throughout the entirety of scripture and even survives to heaven and the new earth, Isaiah 66......Jesus himself declares the Sabbath was MADE FOR MAN...Mark 2:27.

The 7th day Sabbath is of such significance to almighty God, he places it in the very heart of the Moral law. Obviously to reveal his sole authority as LORD, GOD, CREATOR OF HEAVEN and EARTH to be the sole arbiter of morality.

The 7th day Sabbath is in fact his seal of authority to establish morality. Otherwise moral laws are mere human opinion. The creator makes the rules and the 7th day Sabbath established in Eden BEFORE sin and FOR man reveals to the world and universe his authority.

When a person observes the 7th day Sabbath, he is telling the world and himself..he worships the creator. Jesus said the Sabbath day was MADE and in John 1, we read it was JESUS who MADE all things.

So right off the bat this good Catholic man is incorrect if he is implying the 7th day Sabbath is merely Jewish. It predates the Jews, it predates sin and it is cleary for all people for all time.

The RCC claims it has the authority to change God's laws. No one can. They can only THINK to change God's laws. That's one of the ways we know they are the Little Horn/Antichrist power.

Daniel 7:25And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Every Evangelical who worships on Sunday either knowingly or not, bows to the authority of the Antichrist power (Papacy). So shall it be in the end of time with the Mark of the Beast issue.

____Couldn’t be more right. The only people more wrong about celebrating a sabbath on Sunday are those who celebrate it on Saturday.___

I think I’m going to go ahead and disagree with you. God says to WORK six days and he gave us the weekly 7 day cycle as an example of how to live our lives.

God did not 6 days to create the heavens and earth. He is God. He could have created everything in one second.

But he knows work is good for us. We read in scripture Adam’s job was to “tend and care for the garden” Genesis 2:15.

God gave us an example of how to live constructive happy purpose driven lives. We will even work in the New Earth! Isaiah says we will “Long enjoy the work of our hands”..and then it says...we will worship him “From Sabbath unto Sabbath.”

Yes, we do worship God everyday.....but there is only one day where we set aside work, and other secular activities and we are even promised a blessing if we do!

God doesn’t want us sitting at home all day worshipping him. Paul says if a person doesn’t work, he doesn’t eat.

God is not a democrat. Or a communist. So I might have to disagree with you. There is a holy 7th day to be honored and kept as a distinct literal 24 hour period......which it was throughout all of scripture.

But thank you.

The Bible affirms many times that the Sabbath, as was the circumcsion, and the Ten Commandments, were given to the Israelites as a sign and a separation from the rest of the nations. The Apostles started having people worship everyday but this began to coalesce into Sunday worship almost immediately. Pliny the Younger and others discussed this with Rome.

The only reason we have modern discussions about this is because of the focus of modern Chrisitianity, especially Western style Christianity, being the “replacement” for Israel. This particular act, along with circumcsion, allowed many Americans to feel like they were especially blessed by God, because they were MORE obedient.

Ezekial 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

Exodus 31:13 “Tell the Israelites, ‘Surely you must keep My Sabbaths, for this will be a sign between Me and you for the generations to come, so that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you.

Nehemiah 9:14 You revealed to them Your holy Sabbath and gave them commandments and statutes and laws through Your servant Moses.

Colossians 2:16-17 Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. / These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.

____Every Evangelical who worships on Sunday either knowingly or not, bows to the authority of the Antichrist power (Papacy). So shall it be in the end of time with the Mark of the Beast issue.____

Going a bit deeper on the Mark of the Beast, do you think religious intolerance, hatred, persecution, and contempt for those who don’t go along with the vast majority, who will be in fact blamed for all that is going wrong.......do you think this kind of behavior and attitude will also be evident among those who conform to the great false spirital power at that time?

I think Daniel 6:5 is telling. They hated Daniel, They wanted Daniel Dead, they had such contempt for Daniel that they devised a plot to kill him........and when they realized they had nothing on him....they decided the only way to get him would be something concerning or to do with “THE LAW OF HIS GOD”...Daniel 6:5.

In the end, the final and most controverted issue will concern the law of God. And many already seem to exhibit that hatred and contempt for those who uphold the Bible Sabbath....which is in the LAW OF GOD.

_____The Bible affirms many times that the Sabbath, as was the circumcsion, and the Ten Commandments,_____

I’m going to go ahead and respectfully disgree with you. The Bible describes “sin” as transgression of the law. The Sabbath is in the heart of the law.

Cain was told “SIN Lieth at your door”....Joseph said “how can i sin against God”....

Both are before the 10 commandments were given. In Genesis we read Abraham KEPT MY COMMANDMENTS.

So what you are doing is confusing the great MORAL law, which is summarized in the 10 commandments, place INSide the ark, and residing in the MOST HOLY Place.....God clearly separating the ceremonial Mosaic laws....from the MORAL law.....What God has separated, you have joined.

That is why in Revelation, John doesn’t see circumsicion or any ceremonial mosaic laws.....John sees the Ark of the covenant AND the “Tabernacle of the Testimony” in the heavenly temple.....those are the 10 commandments..because that is where the Judgement is taking place and sin is transgression of that law. Not the mosaic ceremonial laws.

The sabbath predates sin.....so it is not ceremonial.

Let’s not join what God has separated. God could not do more to show how much he has separated the Mosaic laws....from his Moral law.

That is why he calls the 7th day Sabbath MY HOLY DAY. Not Moses holy day. Amen.

But thank you

All wrong.
God started creating the world and everything else on a Thursday. He finished six days later on a Tuesday, the took off the next day, a Wednesday.

It was the Druid’s who made the last day of the week a Sunday because their pagan holidays and celebrations lasted days, so to give themselves long weekend holidays, like we do today, they made the first day back to work on Monday.

We can prove this by the stone calendars the Druids had with the biggest stone, their “Sabbath”, being the Wednesday stone.

So that is why Sunday is now the Sabbath day.

It was confusion on the part of Seventh Day Adventists that Saturday became their Sabbath because they inadvertently used a Japanese calendar, and because of the International Date Line, the Sunday Sabbath in Japan was actually a Saturday on this side of the Date Line.

You all need to stop all this silly talk about Sabbaths and collaterally using it for anti-Catholic bigotry and start living good moral lives all seven days of the week.

Let’s take a look at the next statement of his I disagree with:

Quote:

End quote.

Response.

The problem with his statement is that there is not a single Bible text that changes the law of God, including something as MAJOR as changing the largest of the commandments.

On the contrary, Jesus said TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, NOT ONE JOT OR TITTLE SHALL CHANGE.....

This good man didn’t just change a jot or tittle....he changed the entire commandment, the largest of the commandments.

I have to doubt that the 10 commandments John sees in heaven in the heavenly Temple....”The tabernacle of the testimony”..those are the 10 commandments.....I have to doubt those have been edited, altered, changed, revised, or tampered with in way.

The death of Christ PROVES the immutability of the law. God’s law cannot be changed. As David said it is PERFECT converting the soul.....meaning the law is there to reveal our sin and need for a savior.

Well, who decides what is right and what is wrong? God does.....and in the 10 commandments, the 4th commandment reveal his badge of authority. It describes him as LORD, GOD, CREATOR of heaven and earth.

There you have it.....his seal. Name, title, and jurisdiction. Donald Trump, President, United States.

We see the very same seal in the 4th commandment.

And why did God make it the 4 th commandment? Probably because it is for all people for all time..thus it is for the 4 corners of the world, a phrase used in scripture.

So this good man is unable to find a scripture to support the change of the Sabbath to Sunday in honor of the resurrection.

By the way.....there is something we do that symbolizes our resurrection to a new life. a new creature in Christ.

It’s called Baptism. We go down and come up a new person in Christ. Paul uses this motif in fact......

Romans 6: 3 and 4

3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

No. Here’s why:

What does the phrase “binding and loosing,” as mentioned in Matthew 16:19 and Matthew 18:18, refer to?
Answer:
“Binding and loosing” is a phrase which comes from the rabbis. It refers to the authority to make decisions binding on the people of God.

This authority includes interpreting and applying the Word of God and admitting people to and excommunicating them from the community of faith. For the Jews this meant the community of Israel. For Christians this means the Church.

In Matthew 16:19 Jesus gives this authority over his Church to Peter: “Whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

In Matthew 18:18, he gives the power to all the apostles: “Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

This singling out of Peter to bestow on him an authority which is later to be given to all the apostles shows Peter’s preeminence within the apostolic college. What the apostles as a whole possessed as leaders of the Church, Peter possessed as an individual.

Of course, he, as the earthly head of the Church, also possessed powers which all the other apostles, even collectively, didn’t possess: “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven” (Mt 16:19).

Not the SDA.
The church and her head that have been there since the beginning.

Not let the hate rants begin!

___Not let the hate rants begin!___

No hate Texas guy. In a way I admire your passion for what you believe.

And what you belive is that your beliefs are going to be determined for you by a church council or committee or board or well......other people.

You interpret your texts to mean, I will let a church do my thinking for me.

We disagree. I do believe in church authority too, as long as it conforms to the written word of God and I alone determine that. God gave me a brain and he told ME to search the scriptures for myself. The Bereans were a people who tested everything to scripture. Even what the apostles said!

Revelation says blessed to ANYONE who reads this ......

Isaiah 8:20 says “To the law and to the testimony if they speak not there is no light in them.”

John says “Sanctify them by your word, your word is truth.”

No sir.....nobody tells me what to believe but God. Not the Seventh day Adventist church, not the Catholic church, not Ellen White, not the Pope......Nobody but the Bible.

I happen to be a Seventh day Adventist because I am a Christian, then a Protestant, then an Adventist....In that order. And when I read the doctrines of the Adventist Church.....I cannot find a single one I disagree with.

The law of God, the Sabbath, the Judgement, the anti Christ, our condition in death, speaking in tongues, prophecy, baptism, the Judgement, the time prophecies, heck...even diet! God wants us to be healthy I think.

So this is where we differ. You are placing your trust in some guys to do your thinking......I’m sorry. I don’t trust anyone with my eternity.....too many lies and deceptions.

I test everything to the Bible.

Frankly, I’m a bit surprised someone with your aggressive obnoxious cantankerous attitude would trust anyone. I’d figure you for a protestant who thinks for himself...but hey....we can’t all get em right.

Thanks bud.

___“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves ... For such are FALSE apostles, DECEITFUL workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.” (Matthew 7:15, 2nd Corinthians 11:13).
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Reminds of what Bill Murray said about the drill sargeant in the movie Stripes.......”overdoing it a bit”

LOL....wow. Can we say Paranoid. whoa nellie.

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