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Would we want our Black Catholic child to be a priest? Probably not.
Black Catholic Messenger ^ | Sept. 21, 2024 | EFRAN MENNY

Posted on 10/03/2024 9:12:33 PM PDT by ConservativeMind

One of the proudest moments I have had as a Black Catholic parent is when my two boys received the sacrament of baptism. As a convert along with my wife, who entered the Church in 2020, transmitting the sacredness and beauty of our faith was a remarkable moment.

When I crossed the Tiber, my thought thereafter was, “What’s next for me in the Church?” When I think about the future of our children and their faith, I wonder the same. I have always been one to think of the long road. “Begin with the end in mind” is what I tell my students at my school, but using this same logic, what ends are we potentially creating for our children so that they might have a vocation in the Catholic faith?

My two sons are so young, only four-and-a-half years old and two-and-a-half. They are budding with potential and flourish with their unique strengths and personalities. I know that nurturing their lifelong passion for growth through learning will be something my wife and I support. With that, we don’t know what God has in their future. However, as a major responsibility in the domestic church, the transmission of the faith rests on us. We are their primary exposure to the depth of exploring the ancient traditions and history of the Catholic faith.

With this great commission we have from God, we are confident that we really don't want our kids to be in traditional avenues of Catholic exposure to vocations such as engaged parish groups, direct contact, extended friendship with a priest, or the ministry of altar serving. These aren't the only ways a vocation can be exposed, though they can be helpful for planting seeds in the soul.

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1 posted on 10/03/2024 9:12:33 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: ConservativeMind
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2 posted on 10/03/2024 9:14:15 PM PDT by ebb tide ("The Spirit of Vatican II" is nothing more than a wicked "ideology" of the modernists.)
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To: ebb tide

Please stop spamming me—especially with the same post, all the time.


3 posted on 10/03/2024 9:20:02 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Quite a spate of negative Catholic stories posted by you tonight—four within 20 minutes. What triggered that?


4 posted on 10/03/2024 9:39:07 PM PDT by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domini! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia!)
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To: fidelis

Welcome to lukewarm catholicism. Hope Jesus can keep you down.


5 posted on 10/03/2024 10:21:08 PM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: ebb tide

I’m more interested in the fake Bible, but the Catholics teach.


6 posted on 10/03/2024 11:15:52 PM PDT by roving (Deplorable Erectionists Listless Vessel )
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To: ConservativeMind

Anti-Catholicism article.


7 posted on 10/03/2024 11:49:26 PM PDT by Az Joe (Live free or die)
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To: Az Joe; fidelis; ConservativeMind

Then tell the Catholics to stop with the anti-non-Catholic articles FR religion forum is being spammed with.

Also, FWIW, the most prolific poster of anti-Catholic threads claims to be Catholic himself.

Why aren’t you calling either of them out?


8 posted on 10/04/2024 3:00:35 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus”)
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To: Az Joe

I have my issues with the Catholic side of Christianity but this article is flawed from the start.
The whole premise of adding a physical characteristic like skin color as some kind of criterion or identity of impact to a Christian, Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, whatever is a non starter.

God DOES NOT CARE, we are all his children. The Bible is crystal clear on this.


9 posted on 10/04/2024 3:34:41 AM PDT by Skwor
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To: ConservativeMind

Enough with your idiotic anti-Catholic spam.


10 posted on 10/04/2024 4:03:36 AM PDT by ANKE69 (✌️🇺🇲)
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To: ConservativeMind; .45 Long Colt; Apple Pan Dowdy; BDParrish; Big Red Badger; BlueDragon; ...
One of the proudest moments I have had as a Black Catholic parent is when my two boys received the sacrament of baptism.

Which is just one more Catholic teaching that is not manifest in the only wholly God-inspired, substantive, authoritative record of what the NT church believed (which is Scripture, in particular Acts through Revelation, which best shows how the NT church understood the gospels)

Infants are neither culpable for any sin that needs forgiveness, nor able to fulfill the stated requirements for baptism, that of whole-hearted repentance and faith. (Acts 2:28; 8:36,37).

Only those who could hear the word, and thus respond were baptized in the NT, thereby leaving paedobaptism advocates to trying extrapolate paedobaptism out of cursory mentions of whole-household baptisms.

And Colossians 2:11, 12, which refers to circumcision of heart, (Colossians 2:13; cf. Dt. 10:16; 30:6; Jer. 4:4) vs. physically literal (which was actually commanded for infants, but only males, and with no confession of faith required), which corresponds what baptism by immersion (burial: liquid grave) signifies, that of circumcision/cutting of the carnal nature, as in death to self. (Romans 6:5, 6) Whose "circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." (Romans 2:29)

Nor is the act of baptism the means of regeneration, as explicitly seen in Acts 10:43-47; 15:7-9, in which God purified the hearts of the subjects by faith, before baptism.

Consistent with this, neither is John 3:3-7 referring to baptism, but consistent with John's practice of contrasting the physical/earthly/temporal with the spiritual/eternal/heavenly, and also always says it is by believing that one is saved, then John 3 is referring to two kinds of birth, water-physical (cf. 1 John 5:6) and the Spirit.

And the belief that the act itself of baptism effects regeneration, even without repentant faith, rendering the likes of Hugo Chavez and proabortion, prohomosexual public Catholics figures and her liberal majority to be regenerated, and whom Rome manifestly considers to be members, is sacrilegious.

In Scripture regeneration always effected profound basic changes in heart and life, while most of Rome's progeny are manifestly spiritually dead and many are cultic devotees to their church as an object of faith. To eternal horror. Tragically.

As for being a Catholic priest, the Catholic priesthood itself is not that of NT presbyterous/episkopos, for the distinctive celibate sacerdotal class called Catholic priests are not NT presbyters, thus they do not date from the New Testament, but are distinctively called priests, using a word that evolved but which does not reflect its distinctive function.

The Holy Spirit never used the word for a distinctive celibate sacerdotal class (hiereus) for NT clergy (presbyterous/episkopos, both denoting the same person), for all believers are called to sacrifice e (Rm. 12:1; 15:16; Phil. 2:17; 4:18; Heb. 13:15, 16; cf. 9:9) and all constitute the only priesthood —hieráteuma— in the NT church. )

The redeemed are those who have been spiritually born of the Spirit (Jn. 3:2-7) by effectual, penitent, heart-purifying, regenerating faith in the Divine Son of God sent be the Father to be the Savior of the world, (1 Jn. 4:14) who saves sinners by His sinless shed blood, (Romans 3:25; Eph. 1:7) on His account. (1 Corinthians 6:11)

And which faith is imputed for righteousness, (Romans 4:5) and which is shown in baptism and following the Lord, (Acts 2:38-47; Jn. 10:27, 28) whom they shall go to be with or His return (Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8 [“we”]; Heb. 12:22,23; 1Cor. 15:51ff'; 1Thess. 4:17)

In contrast to those who were never born of the Spirit or who terminally fall away. (Gal. 5:1-4; Heb. 3:12; Heb. 10:25-39) Glory and thanks be to God.

11 posted on 10/04/2024 4:44:58 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: metmom
Then tell the Catholics to stop with the anti-non-Catholic articles FR religion forum is being spammed with.

Also, FWIW, the most prolific poster of anti-Catholic threads claims to be Catholic himself.

Why aren’t you calling either of them out?

On the other hand, I've yet to see Protestants call out anti-Catholics.

I know of whom you speak, and I have spoken to some of them privately. I've learned that such things are counterproductive and unnecessary and that--believe it or not-- it's possible to live ones Faith without attacking the faith of others. Tit for tat is pretty childish creed to live by.

12 posted on 10/04/2024 9:18:57 AM PDT by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domini! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia!)
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To: fidelis

Well, I suppose it is tit for tat but since I don’t see Catholics calling out anti Prot posters, why should we bother?

I see, however, that there is a difference between discussing what one sees as doctrinal error in a religion or denomination, and simply posting threads about some arbitrary individual’s (who nobody ever heard of) shortcomings as if that is representative of the religion as a whole.

Now mind you, that does not include the pope as the pope is pretty much synonymous with Catholicism, and is their defacto leader, like it or not. Their claims of him being able to speak ex cathedra kind of puts him in a category himself instead of being some church janitor or something accused of misdeeds.


13 posted on 10/04/2024 10:10:17 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus”)
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To: metmom
Well, I suppose it is tit for tat but since I don’t see Catholics calling out anti Prot posters, why should we bother?

Catholics could say this same thing. It's like the little kid that always has to get the last poke in.

I see, however, that there is a difference between discussing what one sees as doctrinal error in a religion or denomination, and simply posting threads about some arbitrary individual’s (who nobody ever heard of) shortcomings as if that is representative of the religion as a whole.

Politely discussing differences is one thing, but starting a thread for the express purpose of attacking is just hateful, no matter which side does it.

Now mind you, that does not include the pope as the pope is pretty much synonymous with Catholicism, and is their defacto leader, like it or not. Their claims of him being able to speak ex cathedra kind of puts him in a category himself instead of being some church janitor or something accused of misdeeds.

So if I'm hearing you right, it's OK to start a thread attacking the Pope because he is the head of the Catholic Church and the Church teaches that Popes are granted a limited charism to not teach doctrinal error in an official capacity? Quite frankly, what business is that of non-Catholics? If one doesn't accept it, then one shouldn't be a Catholic and should go about ones merry way looking to ones own salvation. It's as easy as that.

14 posted on 10/04/2024 10:41:02 AM PDT by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domini! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia!)
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To: fidelis
...it's possible to live ones Faith without attacking the faith of others.

While true, the Book does not recommend it.


Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
 
 
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 
 
2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.


15 posted on 10/05/2024 3:16:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fidelis

Has it really been 32+ years now since Rodney King asked “Can’t we all get along?”


16 posted on 10/05/2024 3:20:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Nice try. I see nothing about Christians attacking other other Christians here; only instructions to pastors of churches to instruct and rebuke those under their authority.


17 posted on 10/05/2024 6:35:19 AM PDT by fidelis (👈 Under no obligation to respond to rude, ignorant, abusive, bellicose, and obnoxious posts.)
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To: fidelis
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:"



Matthew 23
 
  1.  Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:

 13.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. 
 14.  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. 
 15.   "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are. 
 16.  "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
 17.  You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
 19.  You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
 23.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
 24.  You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
 25.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
 26.  Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
 27.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!  You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
  33.  "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
 
 

And St. Paul chimes in...

Galatians 5:12
   As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
 

18 posted on 10/06/2024 5:06:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fidelis
I see nothing about Christians attacking other other Christians here; only instructions to pastors of churches to instruct and rebuke those under their authority.
 
 
Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. 
 
 
 
 
 

19 posted on 10/06/2024 5:08:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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