Posted on 08/09/2024 8:37:23 PM PDT by Jonty30
Jewish Scholars Say Amazing Things About Islam - COMPILATION
Because Ishmael was Abraham’s son?
Christians have also tried to destroy Judaism.
But you don’t read the original texts. You read translations by men.
“Mad Mo was a con man and the biggest one history has ever seen at that.”
Yes. Whenever he needed something, he received a “revelation.”
Because Islam is a Jewish heresy with some Gnosticism thrown in- Christianity forces them to leave the law and accept a sacrifice they just won’t accept
Thank you for repeating that people read translations. This is abundantly clear in the case of the Christian Bible.
My point is that the collection of books described as the Hebrew Scriptures is, even when written in Biblical Hebrew, partially a translation (as two of those books were written in Biblical Aramaic); and, furthermore, reflects centuries of scholarship in curating the books, adding vowel markings, and maintaining the original meaning (as languages change).
The same is true of the Koran. What is presented as the Koran is the product of centuries of editing resulting, in 1924, in the now standard version. For example, there were no vowel markings in Arabic back in Mohammad’s day. So, who put them into the Koran? It wasn’t the Angel Gabriel.
The talmud has too
As it should. Jews have tried to destroy Christianity and Christianity countries.
It’s because of your understanding of the translation. Echad does not mean one it means unity. Just like in Genesis where it says man and woman are one. Same word echad.
A single person would be yachid. Hmmm...that word is not in the Bible. Wonder why?
Some Christians have done bad things in ignorance.
Just Jews who abandoned their faith. Basically those who traded God for liberalism.
I really don’t believe that Torah observant Jews are involved in socialist movements.
The Book of Acts documenting the early church does not bear witness to that.
On the contrary, it's the other way around.
For that matter, the Jewish leaders of the day opposed Christ at every turn and incited people to have Him crucified.
But there's a world of difference between a true Christian and those who claim to be. Anyone who does atrocities in the name of Christ is a liar and NOT a follower of Jesus. Jesus is pretty clear in His teaching that that is NOT how a godly person lives, to persecute and retaliate against others.
So people can finger point and blame and justify retaliation and revenge all day long and carry grudges for generations, but to what end?
For us to eat each other alive?
Jesus' teachings are about Loving and forgiveness, forgiving others wrongs and repenting and making restitution when wrongs are done.
He said that by their fruit (works and lifestyle) and by their love, you shall know His followers.
Anyone who does not measure up is very open to the charge of not being a Christian and it's certainly valid to question their claim to be a follower of Christ.
The Sermon on the Mount in Matthew chapters 5-7 encapsulates that teaching.
Isaiah 7:10-16 Then the Lord spoke again to Ahaz, saying, “Ask a sign for yourself from the Lord your God; make it deep as Sheol or high as heaven.” But Ahaz said, “I will not ask, nor will I test the Lord!” Then he said, “Listen now, O house of David! Is it too slight a thing for you to try the patience of men, that you will try the patience of my God as well? Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel. He will eat curds and honey at the time He knows enough to refuse evil and choose good. For before the boy will know enough to refuse evil and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread will be forsaken.
There are MANY verses in the Old Testament which mention God's Spirit, also.
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There isn’t a big Church with a golden dome in the cityscape of Jerusalem like there is a golden dome mosque/shrine shining like a beacon in the holiest of holy cities..
That’s one way Jewish scholars might see Islam as being closer than Christianity.
You do know that the Trinity is of pagan origin, correct?
Why are you trying to force paganism onto a theology of ethical monotheism? “Mono” in monotheism is about one God who isn’t divisible in any way, shape, or form.
God, through the Jews, says over and over he isn’t physical or a man, isn’t divisible, and beyond space and time, yet mankind keeps saying the opposite. Over 3,300 years and you still can’t let go of those pagan ideas.
Hosea 11:9
I will not execute the kindling of My anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim, for I am God and not a man. In your midst is the Holy One, and I will not enter a city.
Numbers 23:19
God is not a man that He should lie, nor is He a mortal that He should relent. Would He say and not do, speak and not fulfill?
1st Samuel 15:29
And also, the Strength of Israel will neither lie nor repent, for He is not a man to repent.
Job 9:32
For He is not man like me, that I should answer Him, ‘Let us come together in debate.’
Isaiah 44:6
So said the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer the Lord of Hosts, “I am first and I am last, and besides Me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:8
Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.”
Even the Christian’s New Testament gets this one verse correct about the truth that God is not physical nor a man.
“God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
John 4:24
I don’t know what happened to my post so I’m reposting.
Are the rabbis always right, like the Pope claims to be? Isn’t that just a little on the arrogant side? Christians do the same thing. They have their fav preacher that they listen to - or maybe a handful. They might read the Bible but in-depth study, especially difficult research, time consuming and hard, may not happen. They reason the preacher is smarter or more educated and has studied longer - so they just accept it. It’s just human nature.
My youngest son lives just southeast of Jerusalem in a mostly Arab village. He works as a journalist. He’s the only gentile in his office. His major was the history of the Jewish people. He went to Hebrew Univ to get it straight, so to speak, from the horses mouth. He is fluent in Hebrew and knows how to read and understand ancient Hebrew. He was very surprised at some of the professors he had and how honest they were willing to be about our differences. He was confident, some believed Jesus was who he claimed to be. The prophet Daniel wrote that the Messiah had to die before the 2nd Temple would be destroyed. I think folks here are sometimes unkind and blunt in their responses. But there are reasons to believe what we as Christians believe. As a family, we love the Jewish people and pray daily for Israel. She is facing a horrible time and the immediate future doesn’t look good. I still believe Ezekiel 38 is on the horizon. The way I understand it is that Israel will suffer but her enemies will be severely defeated and by divine intervention of some kind. Joel states that the land will be divided, maybe Jerusalem as well into east and west. I’m thinking from Ashkelon to Gaza will be given to the Palestinians but Judea and Samaria Israel will retain. I think most Christians would just ask you to keep an open mind as watch history unfolds.
The rabbis are right about the translation for one. How many Americans know Hebrew? Which has more authority - the original Hebrew or the King James translation into the Jacobean English?
You see people here on FR trying to state that the various names of God mean this or that. Sorry, they don’t Hebrew, which means they can get conned into believing anything about what it can mean.
If Americans knew how to read and translate Hebrew correctly, the Christian leaders could not con Americans into believing all the bizarre Christian beliefs that have been perpetrated upon them.
Maybe one day our home schools, parochial schools, private schools and even government schools will teach Hebrew. It was the singular language up to the time of the Tower of Babel and it will be the global language talked about by the Jewish prophet, Zephaniah.
Zephaniah 3:9
For then I will convert the peoples to a pure language that all of them call in the name of the Lord, to worship Him of one accord.
כִּי־אָ֛ז אֶהְפֹּ֥ךְ אֶל־עַמִּ֖ים שָׂפָ֣ה בְרוּרָ֑ה לִקְרֹ֚א כֻלָּם֙ בְּשֵׁ֣ם יְהֹוָ֔ה לְעָבְד֖וֹ שְׁכֶ֥ם אֶחָֽד
In the book The Light and the Glory the author discussed the idea of one of the first major universities in America (long time since I read the book) proposed the idea that Hebrew be taught as a second language along with English. I sure wish that would have happened.
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