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To: Steve_Seattle
I can imagine a mass in English that retains the dignity of the old Latin mass.

That's how the first novus ordo masses were originally.

No ad populum, no altar chicks, no Holy Communion in the paw, no lay readers, no eucharistic monsters, etc.

That's when the modernists invented and then invoked their "Spirit of VC II". And they've been doing so ever since.

18 posted on 08/05/2024 7:52:26 PM PDT by ebb tide ("The Spirit of Vatican II" is nothing more than a wicked "idealogy" of the modernists.)
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To: ebb tide
Ad populum was there originally (in fact, it was there in some places well before the Novus Ordo) in places with freestanding altars. Lay readers were also there from the beginning, and (IIRC) from sometime before that.

(Recall that we didn't go straight from the 1962 TLM to the Novus Ordo; there were several transitional stages beginning in 1964. (Somewhere I have my First Communion missal from 1968; the 1968 Mass was basically the TLM, somewhat simplified, in English. The major change when the NO was introduced the next year was much more simplification / abbreviation, and 4 Eucharistic prayers instead of one.)

The rest of the stuff you mention are all later additions/innovations.

20 posted on 08/06/2024 7:01:45 AM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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