Posted on 07/19/2024 6:21:23 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
The IVF resolution turned into instant headline news. Frankly, evangelical Christians have been late to get serious on this issue, and it was the recent Supreme Court of Alabama decision that served to focus evangelical attention…Far too many Christians say they believe in the sanctity and dignity of human life at every stage, from fertilization to natural death, but when the issue turns to the massive ethical issues related to IVF, many evangelicals, including Southern Baptists, have refused to connect the dots.
The resolution does connect those dots, and it passed by a large margin after open debate on the convention floor. The resolution recognizes that many Christian couples “experience the searing pain of infertility” and affirmed that “all children are a gift from the Lord regardless of the circumstances of their conception.”
… “Though all children are to be fully respected and protected, not all technological means of assisting human reproduction are equally God-honoring or morally justified.” The resolution listed many of the grave concerns…with particular reference to current standard procedures that produce untold thousands of “excess” human embryos destined for eventual destruction…the selection of embryos based on quality or preferences, may involve human experimentation on embryos, and involve a host of other related issues. At the top of that list is now the reality that IVF is part of a giant human reproduction industry that turns human embryos into consumer products…
Response was swift…MSNBC host Joe Scarborough rejected the pro-life argument in general, and the SBC resolution specifically, by referring to the SBC action as “very judgmental” and “very driven by politics.”
Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post went after me in particular, arguing that “Mohler speaks for a minority that believes all abortion, from the moment of conception, is murder.” Well, he got that much right…
(Excerpt) Read more at albertmohler.com ...
I think a lot of people are blessed with IVF and having a child. Not too sure about how out of hand it’s gotten including how homosexuals do their thing then raise children in sin.
Look into the details.....be not afraid.....and you will see the evil in it as well as the child blessing thst survives.
It’s like a miracle for one lucky child, and murder of the rest. PTSD for the kid that learns the truth I would imagine.
Our surviving hero soldiers wrestle with something like this, but different.
I’m so glad to see this. The Catholic Curch teaches this, too, but I never hear them actually say it. And far too many Catholics ignore the teaching.
We are either people at conception or we aren’t.
We don’t “help” infertile couples by designating unwanted newly conceived people to death or some sort of semipermanent frozen state.
Interesting.
What would you say about Jehovah's witnesses denying blood transfusions or stem cell aide to cancer patients?
How about C sections? If the woman can't do it on her own not help? Just let em die if they can't do it alone?
Roughly 6 to 10 fetus are created per successful IVF. The successful are placed in the womb.
The remaining fetuses are then discarded as human sh*t.
I’m also afraid that IVF will get to the point where they can easily produce 1000s of fertilized eggs, along with the genetic technology to predict the potential statistics (IQ, height, etc) of each egg. Then the ‘parents’ can select the one they want. Designer babies.
The eugenics issue will become the biggest problem on the planet.
Have at it then. I think there’s some good in this. As stated, there needs to be a line. I don’t know where that is.
Sad.
Apples and oranges.
How is that responsive to the issue of creating human life to be destroyed? Where do you get concern over that issue to being the equivalent of not providing medical care for an emergency medical condition or illness?
Wouldn’t be surprised.
From: https://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/reproductive-technology/begotten-not-made-a-catholic-view-of-reproductive-technology
In 1987 the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued a document known as Donum Vitae ("The Gift of Life"), which addressed the morality of many modern fertility procedures. The document did not judge the use of technology to overcome infertility as wrong in itself. It concluded that some methods are moral, while others—because they do violence to the dignity of the human person and the institution of marriage—are immoral. Donum Vitae reaffirmed an obligation to protect all human life when married couples use various technologies to try to have children. Without questioning the motives of those using these techniques, Donum Vitae pointed out that people can do harm to themselves and others even as they try to do what is good, that is, overcome infertility. The fundamental principle which the Church used to assess the morality of various means of overcoming infertility was a rather simple one, even if its application is sometimes difficult.
Donum Vitae teaches that if a given medical intervention helps or assists the marriage act to achieve pregnancy, it may be considered moral; if the intervention replaces the marriage act in order to engender life, it is not moral.
Lots of good came from the Nazi medical experiments:
Wound Treatment
Better Understanding of Hyperthermia
Development of various pharmaceuticals.
It’s incredible the amount of good that can be done when you don’t get squeamish about how it’s done.
Speaking of Southern Baptists, Robert Jeffress’ church is burning. Not sure if an accident, or if “they” did arson ‘cause he’s a Trump supporter.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/07/breaking-massive-fire-engulfs-dallas-area-church-led/
Apologies if posted earlier.
I would say
That these things don’t require killing someone to make them happen.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4220628/posts
Not playing God. JW’s don’t like blood transfusions as it’s not natural. Therefore I’ve had to watch people die. As stated, I’m not sure about the morality of ALL of it. But the writer suggests”we “ should not play God.
If we don’t play God, then karma right?
Where does one draw the line?
I get the petri dish/test tube babies and playing God but I also know a couple women/families who have a family now because of this procedure and the child appears to have a spirit.
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