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EXCLUSIVEInside the bitter fight between the Mormons and small town America: Church accused of 'bullying' picturesque hamlets into letting them build towering temples
Daily Mail UK ^ | June 16, 2024 | Miles Dilworth

Posted on 06/16/2024 8:01:19 AM PDT by Morgana

When the rural neighborhood of Lone Mountain, Nevada, stood up to the might of the Mormon church, they may have anticipated an explosive argument.

But not literally.

'We've had people setting off fireworks,' says resident Erin LeDoe. 'It was a neighbor who lives up against the mountain. They were setting off what were basically large cannons, right outside her backyard.'

Those behind the pyrotechnics are thought to be supporters of a planned Mormon mega temple - and members of the church itself.

Their target was a local woman who had fiercely opposed it, along with many of her neighbors, on the grounds that the proposed 216-foot tall building would dwarf their homes and destroy their peaceful idyll.

Despite its name, Lone Mountain is just one of several rural towns across America taking on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS), commonly referred to as the Mormon church, over its plans to plant 'humongous' temples in the heart of their communities.

Residents claim the proposals ride roughshod over local planning rules, designed to preserve the character of these unique settlements.

Yet simply by defending their land, locals have ignited the ire of their religious neighbors, who have labeled opponents as 'bigots' and threatened to sue those who resist.

And while the church flexes its legal muscle, it mobilizes its members by issuing rallying cries to descend on town halls from far and wide in a bid to show their projects have mass support.

Ecclesiastical leaders say the size of these temples is 'essential' to their religious practice - and therefore protected by law.

But many of their own members have poured scorn on these arguments, while others have suggested it is merely a cynical ploy to bolster the church's vast real estate portfolio.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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To: Dilbert San Diego

Why is Mormonism NOT conservative?

See my tagline.

I invented it for that reason.


61 posted on 06/16/2024 11:14:03 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: WASCWatch

LOL, you have a good day.

I am not a Mormon, and also don’t know much about the theology.

Your comment is baffling to me, but you have a good day.


62 posted on 06/16/2024 11:14:27 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Morgana; Dilbert San Diego

“””””In that respect I would like to know why the mormons could not build a temple that would blend in and not clash with the local town they have moved into?””””””

For regular Mormons they do, they build regular plain buildings, those massively expensive and glorious ‘Temples to the Sky’ are for the Mormon elite, one of the ironclad requirements to earn the identification required to get past the guards is that you MUST give at least 10% of your income to the Mormons, and you are questioned on that in the mandatory 2 year examination I.D. renewal required for that privilege status on earth and in the after-life.

You are subject to financial examination to verify that you are paying the full, at least 10%.


63 posted on 06/16/2024 11:18:13 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Dilbert San Diego

My tagline was also written after I heard Rush Limbaugh’s attempt to define conservatism, and imho he fell short with what he said.

I think my tagline is more accurate,


64 posted on 06/16/2024 11:34:50 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: ansel12

Methinks Harry was in for a big disappointment.


65 posted on 06/16/2024 11:42:18 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ansel12

The great irony is they claim the Bible is correct “so long as it is translated correctly” but there is no copy of the BOM in its original language like there is with the Bible.


66 posted on 06/16/2024 11:47:35 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Biden told Al Roker "America is back". Unfortunately, he meant back to the 1970's)
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To: Morgana

Daniel 2:45


67 posted on 06/16/2024 1:46:35 PM PDT by californian by choice
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I meant to say “we can’t change it.” And, so, we should just ignore it. Really it is none of our business what Mormons believe, no matter how offensive it is to our Christian values.


68 posted on 06/16/2024 6:36:28 PM PDT by anton
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To: ansel12; wita; Auntie Dem

Mormons are getting picked on here.


69 posted on 06/16/2024 8:06:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

No Mormons were harmed during the production of this informational thread.


70 posted on 06/16/2024 8:09:00 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Are we supposed to hate the mormon church here on Free Republic?

Only if false teaching upsets you.


Meanwhile, on the OTHER side of the coin...


 
Orson Pratt proclaimed:
"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer).  
Page 273 found HERE LINK
More confusion:  LINK
 

Questions put to Joseph Smith:
"'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness."
Found in section 3 --> http://www.boap.org/LDS/Joseph-Smith/Teachings/T3.html  (search for 119)
 
 
"for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12).
Found here --->  LINK
 
"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world"
Found in section 5 --> http://www.boap.org/LDS/Joseph-Smith/Teachings/T3.html  (search for 270)
 
 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly:
"When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses Section 5 page 73);
"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses  Section  8 page 171);
"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses Section  8 page 199);
"Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses Section 10  page 230).
"And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses Section  6 page 24);
 
 
 
 

Orson Pratt also said:
"This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , Section 18, page 44);
"But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , Section 18 page 172).

 
President John Taylor stated:
"Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , Section 6 page 167);
"Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , Section 10 page 127).
 

 
James Talmage said:
"A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 

 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said:
"Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266).
"For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 

 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear:
"Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265);
"a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.123);
"virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.250);
"Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.290).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said:
"After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).  <-- can't find an onlink link, but there ARE a lot of hard copy books for sale that include this quote.
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated:
"the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses Section 2, page 196).
 

71 posted on 06/16/2024 8:09:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: heartwood

What do you think of the LDS theology?


72 posted on 06/16/2024 8:11:07 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: anton

As a Christian you have to try to save others, or at least speak up for Christ.


73 posted on 06/16/2024 8:11:09 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Why do we attack Mormomism?

Uh, because they claim to have RESTORED Christiainity and eliminated the ERROR in it.


You wanna know BIBLICAL REASONS?


 The Book indicates that you would be living the right doctrine if you point out the ERROR that others put forward.


1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
 
Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
 
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
 
 
 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
 
 
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 
 

 
 
Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
 
 2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
 


 
But then, you DO make a good point:
 
Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
 
2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.

74 posted on 06/16/2024 8:15:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

LDS is certainly not Christian. They don’t tell you at first, men will become gods; God was once man.

OTOH, that is something like the Jewish objection to Christianity.


75 posted on 06/16/2024 8:18:44 PM PDT by heartwood (Someone has to play devil's advocate.)
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To: Regulator
You’re off the boat if ya don’t pay up!

Not quite. You're just stuck in steerage for the trip thru eternity.


(check out the definition of HEAVEN)

AFTERLIFE: The Mormon afterlife is divided up into four levels. From the lowest to the highest they are: hell, and then three levels of heaven: the telestial, the terrestrial, and the place where God dwells, the celestial (also called the kingdom of God). The celestial is also divided, the highest level being "exaltation," or becoming a God.

CELESTIAL KINGDOM: See Heaven.

EXALTATION: This is becoming a God in the highest level of the celestial kingdom.

ETERNAL PROGRESSION: The teaching that each of us has the potential to become a God just like God the Father did. He was once a man capable of physical death, was resurrected and progressed to become a God. We can take a similar path and get all the power, glory, dominion, and knowledge the Father and Jesus Christ has. We then will be able to procreate spirit children who will worship us as we do God the Father.

GOD: Usually means God the Father. He was once a man like us capable of physical death and he progressed until he became a God. He has a body of flesh and bones, but no blood. Within Mormonism, Gods, angels, people and devils all have the same nature or substance but are at different stages along the line of progression to Godhood.

GRACE - The Mormon concept of grace means making oneself worthy of the grace of God by doing good works in the church, temple, and community.

HEAVEN-The Mormon church teaches there are three levels of heaven (three "degrees of glory"):

HELL: A place of torment from which the worst of sinners are resurrected (if they repent) into the Telestial kingdom; only a limited number remain in hell forever, - the devil and the demons and apostates who consciously reject and work against Mormonism.

SALVATION: A word that Mormons qualify in one of three ways: unconditional or general salvation is simply resurrection from the dead, granted to all through Christ's atonement; conditional or individual salvation involves entering the celestial kingdom through works of Mormonism; full salvation means exaltation to become a God as a result of temple ceremonies and other works. The word 'salvation' can have a two-fold meaning: a) forgiveness of sins and b) universal resurrection:

The Mormons have several different levels of "salvation".


76 posted on 06/16/2024 8:18:53 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Isn’t this a secular conservative site, not a religious site?

Right on the first part.

However, there are subsets of topics (forums) under that main umbrella.

The RELIGION Forum is one of them.

77 posted on 06/16/2024 8:20:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Don W

Highjack?

Can’t the Christians STAY in their churches?


78 posted on 06/16/2024 8:21:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Reno89519
Mormons are essentially Christian ...

Please list some theology the the LDS corporation espouse that will convince others of this seeming fact you have posted.

(Having JESUS CHRIST in the name of their corporation doesn't count.)

79 posted on 06/16/2024 8:24:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Reno89519
They represent family values, conservative values, and it is seriously a shame to see people go out of their way to degrade the religion and the people.

I see you are replying to #4.

Keep reading - you find the only PEOPLE that get degraded don't rise very high on the scale of being a 'good' Mormon.

80 posted on 06/16/2024 8:26:11 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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