Posted on 06/13/2024 4:42:48 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama
I had attended a church when I lived in Illinois that believed The Lord’s Prayer was only a template for praying to God. They believed that prayer should not be something we memorize and just repeat but should be thoughtful and heart felt communication with God.
I’ll check this out later today.
The “Lord’s” Prayer.
Hey, that Lord stuff means you are a slave - can’t have that.
Jesus left us the Catholic faith with his revealed Truths so that that we may join him in Heaven.
Yes the Catholic Church has leaders that may personally be following worldly ways instead of God’s Truths. The Catholic Church is not a socialist, pro=lgbt, anti=american organization.
Jesus and his Church welcomes all (made in the image of God) but not the actions (mortal sins). The Church is for sinners so that their vocation to become Holy may lead them to Heaven.
Yes, the Church will suffer through the scandals and sins of many, but Jesus promised He would be with his church until the end of the age.
Do you truly believe a church founded by men will not be influenced to change their beliefs away from what Jesus taught us?
I can see that many do not fully agree with our current Pope, but perhaps God has allowed it to show us the errors of many that we may pray for him to preach the ways of God.
Most of the recent Popes have been very holy and led the church in a positive ways even with many problems and sinners within.
Shouldn’t we follow the will of God and not the ways of the world? Didn’t Jesus found one church not the multiples that we have today? Are God’s truths different for multiple churches?
Not meaning to stir the pot but The Lord’s Prayer is a Jewish prayer, not a Christian prayer, tho there’s no harm in repeating it.
Don't know where you live, but the Lutheran Church–Missouri Synod (LCMS) remains a conservative, Bible-believing church with no women pastors, although women are very much supported in ministries.
LCMS is not to be confused with the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA), which is even further left-wing than what is now proposed for the UMC.
Identifying symbol of the LCMS:
Both can be true prayers, depending on the heart of the believer. The issue here is the extinguishing of the male character of God as He has communicated Hiimself to us, directly to Moses, in Person through Jesus, in miracles of the Spirit, and in writing through the scriptures.
God already known all the secrets of our hearts, all our desires, all the contents of our subconscious minds--better than we ourselves do.Almighty God unto Whom all hearts are open, all desires known, and from Whom no secrets are hid...
In prayer, we often speak or silently communicate our transgressions, hopes, desires, and requests, but to God Who already knows all of it. I do this, always have and always will.
However, it is as important--maybe more important--to listen. When we do, God invariably speaks to us, usually not in words, though He sometimes speaks to us in words, but unfailingly in revelations--very much like deprogramming and reprogramming us. It is very important to listen, to receive, the Voice of God, even if it is a silent Voice.
He does not fail us.
... until Benedict was forced to step down and chose globalist blackmail instead of martyrdom. It has been all of those things since the installation of Francis, who has demonstrably purged the Vatican and many diocesan, mission and priest leaders of true Catholic believers.
The Lord's Prayer was spoken and taught by Jesus, the Christ (Greek word for Messiah) who came to save all people, Jew and gentile; hence it is rightly called Christian.
If you have any credible citiation of it having been a Jewish prayer before he taught it to his disciples, please post a link.
The Catholic faith has not changed and Jesus is still the the Bridegroom of His Church.
Men come and go both holy ones and sinners. One is not required to follow personal opinions of others that contradict the teachings if Jesus (His Word).
The bishops and priests still offer the Mass and the Sacraments. There are many holy and well spoken leaders in the church and many saints.
As Peter said: “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life; and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God. John 6:68
Shouldn’t we put our Trust in Jesus and the Church He established for our salvation?
The Catholic faith has not changed and Jesus is still the the Bridegroom of His Church.
Men come and go both holy ones and sinners. One is not required to follow personal opinions of others that contradict the teachings if Jesus (His Word).
The bishops and priests still offer the Mass and the Sacraments. There are many holy and well spoken leaders in the church and many saints.
As Peter said: “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life; and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God. John 6:68
Shouldn’t we put our Trust in Jesus and the Church He established for our salvation?
You can be a slave to God or a slave to sin!
Slavery considered as such can be a bad or a good thing: Slavery to sin leads to death (i.e., hell) while slavery to righteousness leads to sanctification and eternal life (i.e., heaven).
Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not continue in the house for ever; the son continues for ever. So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed”.(John 8:31-36).
I did so after Luther returned the teachings of the church to the apostolic faith.
So you do believe that the Catholic Church that Jesus founded and that Jesus declared “I am with you always, to the close of the age” was deserted by Jesus for 1500 years and a former Catholic priest restored the apostolic faith in the 1500’s by starting a new church? Can there be more than one true church? MT 28:19-20
Are you really sure that this was God’s will and approved by Jesus and the Holy spirit? So how can a former priest do that? How can there be so many churches with different truths from God?
I will admit that there are problems within the Church and its leaders (some are sinners); however, The Church is still the Body of Christ with seven Sacraments (instituted by Jesus).
Do you not believe in the words of Jesus in John 6:53-58 that “unless you eat his flesh of the Son of man and drink hos Blood, you have no life in you.”?
God’s Peace be with you. I am asking questions because I feel that all Christians should believe God’s truth and show a unified presentation as his followers.
What, because it’s pre-crucifixion??
I believe we would still be one church had the Powers that Be accepted that Rome was going astray in that period of time, and an Augustinian monk was a whistleblower and reformer with whom they should have worked to listen, to consider, and to make incremental changes over time. Instead they threw him out and touched off a schism and bloodshed.
His and other reformers’ message was to put the scriptures first and foremost when it comes to theology. It was a new day, when the technology of the era, Gutenberg’s printing press, could put the Word of God into the hands of individuals for patient daily study and learning—just as today’s technology enables us to do keyword searches of the entire Bible in seconds, compare multiple translations as an aid to understanding, and find other Christian companions for prayer wherever we may be during the day.
There would not have been “other churches” if the one with the massive temporal and political power had shown more willingness to hear instead of react and reject.
In fact even today, all who profess Christ are beloved by him; none will ever know His mind completely or do His will perfectly. There is no superior, perfect denomination. There are sinners saved by grace, in a variety of organizations — some earnestly moving towards sanctification as much as humans can do, and others sliding towards condemnation. Within each organized denomination, perhaps ten percent at most know what the scriptures say and have given their souls in truth to the Lord.
The Church is led by the High Priest present at each mass - Jesus.
Francis has zero say in passing any socialist policies. And he has recently been badgered by the woke crowd for callingFaggotsss as well-fags
Hoot --> Jesus lived in the period of the 2nd temple - which was until the destruction of the temple in 70 AD.
From the start of Jesus' ministry until 70 AD there were multiple Jewish sects:
The Sadducees refused to go beyond the written Torah (first five books of the Bible) and thus, unlike the Pharisees, denied the immortality of the soul, bodily resurrection after death, and—according to the Acts of the Apostles (23:8), the fifth book of the New Testament—the existence of angelic spirits.
The Samaritans call themselves Bene Yisrael (“Children of Israel”), or Shamerim (“Observant Ones”), for their sole norm of religious observance is the Pentateuch (first five books of the Old Testament).
Note that all of these were Jews
When the temple was destroyed all the sects that were tied at the hip to the temple also were destroyed - the Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots, etc.
The Samaritans had their temple at Mt. Gerizim
the Jesus-movement said Jesus was the new temple (refer the apocalypse of St. John of Patmos i.e. "Revelation" written in 64 AD)
The Pharisees were destroyed but created a new sect - rabbinical Judaism, focused away from the temple and focused on synagogues; away from the Cohen priests to rabbis; away from the animal sacrifices to todah
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Only after the Kitos war when the Judeans massacred gentiiles in Cyprus and Cyrene did the Jesus-movement take on the exonym of "Christian"
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that's a long-winded answer to say "No, the Lord's prayer is not a "rabbinical Jewish" prayer, but a Christian prayer
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