Posted on 05/17/2024 7:20:25 PM PDT by Morgana
Edited on 05/17/2024 8:14:22 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
OCEAN GROVE, N.J. (AP) — In this seaside community that calls itself “God’s Square Mile at the Jersey Shore,” all the land is owned by a religious group that has for generations enforced an 11th Commandment: Thou shalt stay off the beach on Sunday morning.
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Wait, I thought Christians were no longer under the law? That’s how they get out from under the Seventh day Sabbath. Now they want Sunday’s enforced as a holy day?
Which is it...you can’t have it both ways. And if Sunday is the Lord’s day........how come nobody keeps it as the Lord’s day?
Sounds like today’s evangelicals are all over the place on this......
Spurious argument since those entities do not own the area at issue. The issue is simply whether the owner of property has the right to regulate its use. When it comes to sections of beaches, apparently not, unlike the government.
No: The issue is simply whether the owner of property has the right to regulate its use. When it comes to sections of beaches, apparently not, unlike the government. See above https://freerepublic.com/focus/religion/4238522/posts?page=20#20
False and irrelevant. Some do esteem the first day above others, and the issue is that this group sanctifies the first day of the week, being the only specific day mentioned that the Lord and early church met after His resurrection, and they simply seek the right to regular the use of their property, not enforce worship on that day.
In my mom’s neck of the woods there are Seventh Day Baptists who worship on Saturday. I’m not sure how prevalent they are in other areas of the country.
In any case, considering America’s founding and its roots, Christian values should take priority. I recall when all retail was closed on Sunday. We were a better country then.
If other sects and religions have a problem with that, they should STFU and leave.
>>>False and irrelevant. Some do esteem the first day above others, and the issue is that this group sanctifies the first day of the week, being the only specific day mentioned that the Lord and early church met after His resurrection, and they simply seek the right to regular the use of their property, not enforce worship on that day>>>
I don’t agree. Romans 14 is not talking about the ten commandments, the seventh day Sabbath that was made holy by God before sin ever entered the world, see Genesis. The day Jesus said he made for man. The day God calls MY HOLY DAY. The day Jesus said he was LORD OF THE SABBATH. God is the Lord, so that makes the Sabbath the Lord’s day. The day John saw in Revelation 1:10.
Romans 14 is talking about things like feast days, annual sabbaths, ceremonial holy days that were written by Moses in a Book.....not God in stone. The Ten Commandments have not changed one jot or tittle.
If people only read the Bible instead of going with church tradition. Even Rome says traditionally that Nowhere, not a single text changed the Sabbath to Sunday. She made the change and it’s the mark of her authority to do that.
Today’s evangelicals are weak on this and that is why they don’t even keep Sunday any more. Protestants never did away with the holy day. They just kept the wrong day but in the right way....and God honored that.
Todays’ evangelicals have bought dispensationalism. That’s why they believe in the secret rapture and look to Israel. And when it comes to the Sabbath and the ten commandments.....they are in total confusion. They confuse the 2 covenants and even the ceremonial laws which were done away with at the cross.....with the Ten Commandments.....which are forever. God’s moral law summed up for the human race.
And the middle of the Ten Commandments is the Sabbath because it identifies who the lawgiver is.....LORD GOD CREATOR. The 4th commandment identifies the authority.....the Sabbath day is God’s badge of authority. The creator makes the rules.
It’s funny. The only time I want to go to chick Fil A is on Sunday. Must be a psychological thing. Same with meat on Friday during lent, I crave a steak all day. lol. God has humor.
You tried this before, and must have forgot the reproof since you simply post the same refuted polemics. Yes, God ceased from His creative activity that day, but observance of it was not required until the giving of the Law. No one was commanded to do so before that (despite attempts by Sabbath worshipers to read that into Exodus 5:21–22, which refers to Ex. 4:29) as being an inseparable aspect of worship of the True God, and no one but Israel was commanded to do so, and no one but Israel was punished for not doing so, nor for not obeying ritual washings, (cf. Psalms 147:19,20) aside from the millennial reign of Christ.
Which is contrary to the basic universally applicable laws of Lev. 18, the breaking of which is why the land spued out the nations that were before Israel, (Leviticus 18:28)
The day Jesus said he was LORD OF THE SABBATH. God is the Lord, so that makes the Sabbath the Lord’s day.
Which means that He is the writer of the promises New Covenant, which is distinctly said to be "Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord." (Jeremiah 31:32)
And the details of in what way this differed is revealed in the epistles according to type, and which is that of"meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ," (Colossians 2:16-17) of "meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation," (Hebrews 9:10) thus such ritual observance of "days, and months, and times, and years" (Galatians 4:10) was part of going back under the Law.
The Ten Commandments have not changed one jot or tittle.
None of the Law has, but "if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law" (Galatians 5:18) "That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit" (Romans 8:4) is defined in the words and deeds of the NT church.
In which the command to keep the 7th day sabbath is nowhere repeated or reiterated in contrast the other 9. (1Cor. 8:5,6; Rv. 22:9: 1Jn. 5:21; 1Cor. 6:9; 10:7,14; Eph. 5:5: 1Tim. 6:1: Eph. 6:2-3: Rom. 13:9; Gal. 5:19-21; James 2:10-12: Rom. 13:9; 1 Cor. 6:9; 10:8; Eph. 5:5; Gal. 5:19-21; James 3:10-12: Rom. 13:9; Eph. 4:28: Rom. 13:9; Col. 3:9; Eph. 4:25: Rom. 7:7; 13:9; Eph. 5:3, 5. More here).
Neither is any NT church - as a assembly of converts (Acts 13:44) - described as specifically meeting on that day. In fact, the only specific day that believers as a group are described is that of the first day of the week. (Acts 20:7; 1Cor.16:2)
Jesus rose on the first day and post-resurrection appearances of Christ happened on the first day of the week. Then read what was already shown you in past debate, as here, and for historical purposes you were a multitude of quotes here .
The attempt to bind what the NT does not do, that of requiring observance of the 7th day, is what should be rested from.
If people only read the Bible instead of going with church tradition. Even Rome says traditionally that Nowhere, not a single text changed the Sabbath to Sunday
Rather, if people followed the Bible instead of parroting SDA polemics they should know that long before the church of Rome had such power then as said, the only specific day that believers as a group are described is that of the first day of the week, (Acts 20:7; 1Cor.16:2) and extant historical sources beginning from circa 100 AD attest to the resurrection day being the specific day of meeting for Christians.
Today’s evangelicals are weak on this and that is why they don’t even keep Sunday any more. Protestants never did away with the holy day. They just kept the wrong day but in the right way....and God honored that.
You argued this before, and I have alread told you that how I overall sanctify the 1st day which (which you commended me for), by the grace of God.
Todays’ evangelicals have bought dispensationalism.
Well, there is a dispensation of law versus grace, which is why do not literally keep the everlasting covenant of circumcision, and many everlasting, perpetual, forever covenants, statutes and ordinances.
That’s why they believe in the secret rapture and look to Israel.
I do not hold to a pretrib rapture, but believe the "rapture" being that of the Lord's return at the end of the tribulation, followed by the 1,000 year reign of Christ.
See previous posts on this, as by me here and here and here and following, by the grace of God, rather than posting more.
So you don’t believe in the 10 commandments. Just clarity that’s all. Not spin.
No, that is simply not a logical conclusion, exampling false dilemma, non-sequitur reasoning. Which is consistent with cultic minds. I wrote enough on this.
Right, dispensationalists have managed to talk themselves out of the 10 commandments all because of the fourth commandment. They aren’t fooling anyone.
Once upon a time....
The Battle For Sunday Baseball
https://www.libertymagazine.org/article/the-battle-for-sunday-baseball
Well if it’s owned by some religious group then they can make the rules. It is pretty lame though.
Rather, you can only imagine :
That the sabbaton was not included in the list of typological commands for which literal observance is not enjoined under the New Covenant.
That keeping the 4th commandment was repeated/reiterated to the NT church under under the New Covenant as was the other 9.
That the sabbaton was recorded as the only specific day that the Lord and church met together, rather than the first day.
Classing the 4th commandment as part of the typological commands, including the everlasting covenant of circumcision, means that idolatry, profanity, dishonoring parents, murder, stealing, adultery, and covetousness are rejected as part of the binding obedience of faith (http://peacebyjesus.net/rc-stats_vs._evang.html).
That because some liberals do so means that all who hold literal observance of the sabbath to be abrogated must also do so. That SDA sabbath worshipers are not being fooled.
The End.
>>>That the sabbaton was not included in the list of typological commands for which literal observance is not enjoined under the New Covenant.>>>
The Seventh day Sabbath predates any covenant. Read Genesis. And Jesus said it was made for man. Such poor Bible scholarship. It’s as if you don’t have a Bible.
Actually, as expressed and ignored, you must read into the Bible a command to keep the Sabbath prior to the giving of the law (and any actual practice of doing so), and then of any nation other than Israel being punished for not keeping it, and any reiteration of the 4th commandment for the church to keep under the New Covenant, and of the only specific day that the Lord and church meeting together being the sabbaton rather than the first day, and of 4th commandment being excepted as part of the typological commands rather than being included with them
Meaning that you can only wish that you have not exampled ignoring what refutes you, while reading into the Bible that which you can only wish that it taught in rightly divide the word of Truth, and of failure to do so and to follow its Truth wherever it leads, rather than being committed to your elitist cult.
As such, you have relegated yourself to being in the class of bots which warrant being ignored. Final warning.
May God grant you “repentance to the acknowledging of the truth.” (2 Timothy 2:25)
>>>Actually, as expressed and ignored, you must read into the Bible a command to keep the Sabbath prior to the giving of the law>>>>
Right, God makes the Sabbath day holy, blesses it, hallows it, makes it FOR MAN as in MANKIND, but keeps it a secret for thousands of years to give to a race. Then after he gives it to a race, the Jews, he decides, oh, let’s forget about it afterall. God can’t make up his mind about what to do with the day he hallowed.
And find me the command for Adam not to lie or steal?
Such poor Bible scholarship and nonsense you evangelicals of today have. Even the Protestant Reformers never did away with the weekly holy day. They just kept the wrong day but in the right way.
You folks don’t even keep Sunday anymore.
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