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The False Security of the Born-Again Sect
The Daily Knight ^ | May 14, 2024 | David Martin

Posted on 05/16/2024 7:11:27 AM PDT by ebb tide

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When St. Paul repeatedly tells us that we are not justified by the works of the law, he’s not speaking of good works, which Christ commanded, but is speaking of the ceremonial works of the old Jewish Law where they did circumcism and offered animals in sacrifice.

Now isn't that convenient???

Christ came to do away with all that. The Apostle is simply saying that we’re not justified by being Jew but are justified by being Christian.

If salvation is based on "merit," then the chrstian religion isn't necessary. There was already a religion, indisputably from G-d Himself, that had "works" and rituals and ceremonies and laws. The very idea that "faith vs. works" boils down to the old (Biblical) religion vs. the new (post-Biblical) religion is the height of hypocrisy. This argument is essentially Protestant and chrstianity brought Protestantism on itself by fulminating against G-d given laws while insisting on man-made laws.

Just desserts.

21 posted on 05/16/2024 8:46:23 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (בראשית ברא אלקים את השמים ואת הארץ)
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To: ebb tide

There is good reason this discussion continues after centuries of debate referring to the same source. Reformers claim that Jesus Paid it All, and it’s insulting to Him to say otherwise. The Eastern and Roman traditions claim we need to stay in the orthodox/apostolic communion and work it out with fear and trembling. Both are supported in the Book, too.


22 posted on 05/16/2024 8:50:39 AM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: dware
Born again is a thing. Once saved, always saved isn’t.

Correct. One must keep believing, must hold fast to one's faith in Christ's finished work on the cross.

23 posted on 05/16/2024 8:57:28 AM PDT by DSH
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To: ebb tide

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The Catholic Church is the One Institution of Faith established by Christ, outside of which there is no salvation. The Church is the unwritten word of God while the Bible is the written word, but both are of equal authority and must be accepted by the faithful. St. Paul himself says:
......

Paul says:
Christ, our Passover Lamb.
Unleavened Bread of Sincerity and Truth
First Fruits of those fallen asleep

The Catholic Church has substituted those with three days with three of their own,in contrast to Paul’s first importance of the gospel, leading to a False Christ and a False Gospel

The writer should worry about the False Security in False religion with a Fase Christ and False Gospel.

And hope that’s not a salvation issue..


24 posted on 05/16/2024 9:03:19 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: dware

——>Once saved, always saved isn’t.

Not according to many bible “experts” on this site. Once and forever saved at the microsecond of grace, locked in, and absolutely NOTHING can ever keep you out of heaven.


25 posted on 05/16/2024 9:51:05 AM PDT by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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To: roving

I see that you appear to have that false security, roving.


26 posted on 05/16/2024 10:05:47 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

This doesn’t need a long answer. Just read John, Romans and Galatians very slowly.


27 posted on 05/16/2024 10:15:31 AM PDT by lurk (u)
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To: DSH

On this we agree. Belive means to belive with Heart.


28 posted on 05/16/2024 10:45:23 AM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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To: ebb tide

Let me get this straight. In order to be saved I have to belong to a Church run by a pervert-loving communist who has been shielding child molesters from prosecution?


29 posted on 05/16/2024 11:11:00 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: ebb tide

While I sympathize with the premise of the article, it is riddled with errors.

“Nowhere in the Gospel does Christ prescribe such a thing, nor is the term ‘personal savior’ found anywhere in the Bible.”

Paul, who told us to follow his example, made it personal:

Galatians 2:20 NKJV
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

Yes, Jesus died for the whole world, but it is importasnt to realize that He “died for me”. That’s personal.

I agree with the article that the corrupted modern message of salvation tolerates sin and presumes upon the mercy of God. Some of the scriptures cited here are exactly the reason that many “Christians” are headed toward Hell rather than Heaven.

The remedy proposed here uses the strawman of Luther. The Reformation included many leaders who did not fall into the errors which Luther is accused of making. The Reformation produced good works, works of faith, and fruits of salvation which, as the article correctly asserts ARE REQUIRED to inherit eternal life.

However, these outcomes are the result of repentance and faith, BECAUSE God’s grace always and actively works in the believer to produce them.

100% of the time. This is because salvation is ultimately a demonstration of the sovereign power of God.


30 posted on 05/16/2024 11:42:38 AM PDT by unlearner (I, Robot: I think I finally understand why Dr. Lanning created me... ;-)
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To: lurk
This doesn’t need a long answer.

It was never a question.

31 posted on 05/16/2024 12:35:40 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: unlearner
Yes, Jesus died for the whole world, but it is importasnt to realize that He “died for me”. That’s personal.

So according to your misguided logic, the "whole world" is saved. So it's not that "personal", is it?

32 posted on 05/16/2024 12:38:44 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Seruzawa

No. You only have to belong to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Jesus Christ.

All other “churches” are false.


33 posted on 05/16/2024 12:41:19 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Awful lot of garbage spewed in a small place!

“the born-again formula is to simply accept Christ as “personal savior” to secure “being saved” without any need for works, penance, or prayer.”

REPENTANCE - as the Scriptures say - comes before being born again. Works follow being born again because, as scripture says:

“This is the covenant that I will make with them
in the days to come, says the Lord:
I will put my laws in their hearts
and write them on their minds.”
17 And then he says, “I will not remember their sins and evil deeds any longer.” - Hebrews 10

The HOLY SPIRIT will change you, from the inside out. GOD promises.

“Doing penance” is trying to earn the gift of salvation, which comes from what Jesus said, “The right time has come and the Kingdom of God is near! Turn away from your sins and believe the Good News!” - Mark 1

But you go on trying to earn your way, and pushing lies that we MAKE God accept us by our good deeds.


34 posted on 05/16/2024 12:42:55 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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Frankly, the very idea that this religion teaches about its Pope being next thing to Jesus Himself...

Where do you come up with such nonsense?

35 posted on 05/16/2024 12:46:10 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: unlearner
However, these outcomes are the result of repentance and faith

What? The Protestants don't believe in repentance. Once saved, always saved. Jesus died for their sins and they're home free.

36 posted on 05/16/2024 12:51:53 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Do Baptists and Lutherans are fake Christians?


37 posted on 05/16/2024 12:56:40 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Mr Rogers

So once Mr Rogers is born-again, he has no further need of repantence for his future sins?

Is that correct?

Or is that once Mr Rogers is born-again, he is incapable of ever sinning again?

Which is it, Mr Rogers?


38 posted on 05/16/2024 12:57:11 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

He probably doesn’t know the definition of “eternal”.


39 posted on 05/16/2024 12:59:36 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Navarro didn't kill himself.)
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To: Seruzawa

Go back to post #33 and read it slowly this time.

The answer is there.


40 posted on 05/16/2024 1:00:00 PM PDT by ebb tide
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