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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Show me in Scripture where Mary ascends to “heaven” before death.

Show me in Scripture where Purgatory is declared by The Lord.

Show me in Scripture where it says that everything a Christian needs to believe is found in Scripture. Surely such a foundational doctrine would be explicitly found there. Don't bother with 2 Timothy 3:16 because it only says that Scripture is "useful" or "profitable," not sufficient.

I'll wait right here for that Scripture text.


30 posted on 05/12/2024 9:47:09 PM PDT by fidelis (👈 Under no obligation to respond to rude, ignorant, abusive, bellicose, and obnoxious posts.)
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To: fidelis

Mary was a Sinner, just like the rest of us. Jesus didn’t hold her higher than anyone else.


34 posted on 05/12/2024 9:58:21 PM PDT by roving (Deplorable Listless Vessel Trumpist With Trumpitis and a Rainbow Bully)
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To: fidelis

Here you go. Acts 17:11.


50 posted on 05/13/2024 3:15:28 AM PDT by alnick
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To: fidelis

Show me in Scripture where it says that everything a Christian needs to believe is found in Scripture.
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So, it sounds like you are saying that there are things a Christian needs to believe that are not in Scripture.

And if I don’t believe some of these ‘needs’, and just believe Scripture, what happens to me?


52 posted on 05/13/2024 3:48:57 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Running Rampant, and not endorsing nonsense; My pronoun is EXIT.)
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To: fidelis; Roman_War_Criminal
Show me in Scripture where it says that everything a Christian needs to believe is found in Scripture. Surely such a foundational doctrine would be explicitly found there. Don't bother with 2 Timothy 3:16 because it only says that Scripture is "useful" or "profitable," not sufficient.

However, it DOES say *complete* and *equipped for every good work*. That's pretty sufficient.

Pretty convenient for you all to reject off hand the Scripture that disproves your argument against the Bible alone being sufficient for spiritual growth in Christ.

It's pretty staggering the chutzpah of Catholics to continually tell god that what HE provided that HE said was sufficient is not good enough. But it's pretty on par for Catholicism which does that from beginning to end because the things they add to faith in Christ as requirements for getting and staying saved is astounding. The Pharisees of Jesus' day would be jealous.

61 posted on 05/13/2024 4:36:51 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: fidelis
Ephesians 6:11-13 says, “Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness in this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Not part of an armor but the whole armor.

John 15:26 ERV “I will send you the Helper from the Father. The Helper is the Spirit of truth who comes from the Father. When he comes, he will tell about me.

You see, Jesus didn't leave us a man made denomination but the Holy Spirit to guide us. That's everything a man needs to believe, else you think the Bible is lying.

71 posted on 05/13/2024 6:17:05 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Those who favor abortion are not just atheists but followers of Satan whether they know it or not.)
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To: fidelis

Mary did not ascend, but the tradition is that her body went to heaven with her soul at the moment of her death, and no one ever claimed to have her remains to my knowledge (the truth of the Catholic Faith is found both in Scripture and Tradition).

Concerning Purgatory, see Matthew 5:28 - “Amen, I say to you, you will not be released until you have paid the last penny.”


85 posted on 05/13/2024 7:36:29 AM PDT by NorthernDancer (“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”)
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To: fidelis; Roman_War_Criminal
RWC: Show me in Scripture where Mary ascends to “heaven” before death. Show me in Scripture where Purgatory is declared by The Lord.

fidelis: Show me in Scripture where it says that everything a Christian needs to believe is found in Scripture. Surely such a foundational doctrine would be explicitly found there. Don't bother with 2 Timothy 3:16 because it only says that Scripture is "useful" or "profitable," not sufficient.

That's not an answer. That's a deflection, otherwise known as a *red herring*.

https://practicalpie.com/red-herring-fallacy/

A Red Herring Fallacy is an example of a deceptive tactic that diverts attention away from the real issue at hand, steering the conversation towards a different, often unrelated, topic.

How about trying to actually answer the question instead of changing the subject?

How ironic that you posted the meme that applies more to you. I'm sure RWC will NEVER get an answer, as every time challenges like that are made, the Catholic knee jerk reaction is to change the subject.

154 posted on 05/13/2024 3:40:21 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: fidelis; Roman_War_Criminal; metmom
Show me in Scripture where it says that everything a Christian needs to believe is found in Scripture. Surely such a foundational doctrine would be explicitly found there. Don't bother with 2 Timothy 3:16 because it only says that Scripture is "useful" or "profitable," not sufficient.

I'll wait right here for that Scripture text.

Well, you've posted it....but not in context. Oh, and don't think the callous disregard of Scripture isn't noted.

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16All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 NASB 95

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Let's break it down.

Anything that is labeled or identified as Scripture is from God. That in itself should be enough to tell the RC, or anyone else, that anything outside of Scripture is NOT inspired nor from God. In other words, you can't build doctrine on it. That should give the Roman Catholic something to seriously consider; especially the Marian dogmas and the claimed "infallibility of the pope".

Scripture is good for

teaching: Cognate: 1319 didaskalía (a feminine noun derived from 1321 /didáskō, "teach") – properly applied-teaching; Christian doctrine (teaching) as it especially extends to its necessary lifestyle (applications). See 1321 (didaskō).

Cognate: 1650 élegxos (a masculine noun) – inner conviction focuses on God confirming His inbirthing of faith ("the internal persuasion from Him," see 4102 /pístis). See 1651 (elegxō).

correction: 1882 epanórthōsis (from 1909 /epí, "on, fitting" intensifying 461 /anorthóō, "make straight") – properly, suitable because straight, i.e. restored to its (original) proper condition; hence, correction (referring to something that is aptly "straightened out").

training: Cognate: 3809 paideía (from 3811 /paideúō, see there) – properly, instruction that trains someone to reach full development (maturity).

righteousness: 1343 dikaiosýnē (from 1349 /díkē, "a judicial verdict") – properly, judicial approval (the verdict of approval); in the NT, the approval of God ("divine approval").

1343 /dikaiosýnē ("divine approval") is the regular NT term used for righteousness ("God's judicial approval"). 1343 /dikaiosýnē ("the approval of God") refers to what is deemed right by the Lord (after His examination), i.e. what is approved in His eyes.

complete: 739 ártios (from 737 /árti, "now," viewed in terms of the present, i.e. "the here-and-now") – properly, ready now, prepared to function (efficiently) in the immediate present.

having been fully equipped: q1822 eksartízō (from 1537 /ek, "completely out from" intensifying artizō, "make suitable") – properly, fitted (because fully suitable) because all the parts work together. 1822 /eksartízō ("entirely outfitted") is used in the passive voice in 2 Tim 3:17, stressing the end-impact of Scripture on the receptive believer. Indeed the Bible thoroughly fits ("furnishes") each believer to live in full communion with God. (Note the intensifying force of the prefix, ek.)

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If you can understand this Paul is pointing Timothy to Scripture for a reason. It contains all that the man of God needs to know God, to instruct others and how to live for God.

182 posted on 05/13/2024 5:41:02 PM PDT by ealgeone
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