ealgeone - grumpa is mocking the pre-tribulation rapture philosophy which has 2 second comings - the first to rapture away and the second to come again.
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What about those who are post-trib? They believe that Jesus will return near the end of the Great Tribulation. Personally, I believe after the seventh trumpet, before the seven bowls of wrath. The bowls will go quickly. Remember the parable of the wheat and tares? The saints will be in heaven as observers when Jesus and his angels deliver judgments upon the Earth, to the Antichrist, False Prophet, the Dragon and to those who have the Mark of the Beast.
Jesus will return with his angels and everybody will see him in the sky, near the end of the Tribulation. The dead in Christ will be raised, then those who are alive in Christ will be translated (two will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left). The wheat and the tares will be harvested together. The saints will witness God’s judgment but not participate. They will be dressed in white, awaiting the great banquet as the bride of Christ.
Mark 13:20
If the Lord had not cut short those days, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom He has chosen, He has cut them short.
Mark 13:26,27
At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And He will send out the angels to gather His elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven.
Rev. 11:15
The kingdoms of the world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign forever and ever.
Rev. 7:14
These are the ones who have come out of the Great Tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Mark 13:20 shows that Christians need to endure
Mark 13:26-27: this was what Josephus reports for 70 AD
Rev 11:15 - Revelations 8-11 describes the destruction of the earthly city of Jerusalem