Posted on 04/09/2024 5:58:19 PM PDT by grumpa
I forgot the </sarc> tag ... lol sorry
You’ve shown you can’t.
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You didn’t bark at the moon did you?
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Which flows from,
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17)
And which relates to:
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4)
Which also relates to:
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. (Revelation 20:1-3)
Therefore, according grumpa, all the believers were taken in 70AD, leaving no more body of Christ/church on earth, while satan has been bound since. So to all the believers here, you have missed it folks, and what you see in the world is that of the devil being bound, "that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled." Which time itself is not literal.
Thus. preterism (esp. "full") causes more problems than it solves. (I myself see the resurrection of believers taking place at the end of the Tribulation, who are preserved during the last 3.5 years). And with all Israel (what is left) coming to faith. Yet I am not into eschatology doctrine very deeply.
Now, there are two main camps within the preterist community. There are…
1. Full (extreme, hyper) preterists
2. Partial (moderate) preterists
What’s the difference between the two camps?
Full (or “Extreme”) preterists believe all Biblical prophecy has been fulfilled, including…
• the great tribulation
• the Second Coming of Jesus
• the bodily resurrection of believers
• and the great white throne judgment
Full preterists (e.g., Max King, John Bray and the late James Stuart Russell) are even so bold as to say that we are living in the new heavens and the new Earth (talked about in Revelation 21-22).
Of course, they have to abandon the plain understanding of the Scriptures to try and explain what John really meant when he said “there shall no longer be any death…mourning, or crying, or pain” in Rev. 21:4.
So, that’s what full preterists believe: All prophecy has been fulfilled. They seem to be the minority within the preterist community. The camp that seems to have more influence today (and the camp that seems to be growing in size) is the group that holds to partial (or moderate) preterism. - https://alwaysbeready.com/preterism-examined-and-refuted/ (Note
Preterism holds that the contents of Revelation constitute a prophecy of events that were fulfilled in the first century. Preterists believe that the dating of the book of Revelation is of vital importance and that it was written before the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
Full preterism[edit]
Full preterism differs from partial preterism in that full preterists believe that the destruction of Jerusalem fulfilled all eschatological or "end times" events, including the resurrection of the dead and Jesus's Second Coming, or Parousia, and the Final Judgment.[44][page needed]
Other names of full preterism include:
Full preterists argue that a literal reading of Matthew 16:28 (where Jesus tells the disciples that some of them will not taste death until they see him coming in his kingdom)[46] places the second coming in the first century. This precludes a physical second coming of Christ. Instead, the second coming is symbolic of a "judgment" against Jerusalem, said to have taken place with the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in AD 70.[47] For this reason, those who oppose the notion also call full preterism "the AD 70 doctrine", since the whole eschatology is hinged on this one event.[48] R. C. Sproul says of full preterist Max R. King, of Ohio; "For this schema to work, the traditional idea of resurrection must be replaced with a metaphorical idea of resurrection".[49] Detractors of full preterism often refer to the school as hyper-preterism.[50]
Partial preterism (often referred to as orthodox preterism or classical preterism) may hold that most eschatological prophecies, such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Antichrist, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord as a "judgment-coming" of Christ, were fulfilled either in AD 70[27] or during the persecution of Christians under the Emperor Nero.[28][29]
Some partial preterists may believe that the Antichrist, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord as a "judgment-coming" of Christ, were not historically fulfilled.
History
At the time of the Counter-Reformation, the Jesuit Luis de Alcasar wrote a prominent preterist exposition of prophecy.[3][page needed][4] Moses Stuart noted in 1845 that Alcasar's preterist interpretation advantaged the Roman Catholic Church during its arguments with Protestants,[5] and Kenneth Newport in an eschatological commentary in 2000 described preterism as a Catholic defense against the Protestant historicist view which identified the Roman Catholic Church as a persecuting apostasy.[6]
Due to resistance from Protestant historicists, the preterist view was slow to gain acceptance outside the Roman Catholic Church.[7][page needed] Among Protestants preterism was first accepted by Hugo Grotius[8][9] (1583-1645), a Dutch Protestant eager to establish common ground between Protestants and the Roman Catholic Church.[10] His first attempt to do this in his "Commentary on Certain Texts Which Deal with Antichrist" (1640) arguing that the texts relating to Antichrist had had their fulfillment in the 1st century AD. Protestants did not welcome these views[11] but Grotius remained undeterred and in his next work, "Commentaries On The New Testament" (1641–50), he expanded his preterist views to include the Olivet discourse and the Book of Revelation.
Preterism continued to struggle to gain credibility within other Protestant communities, especially in England.[12] The English commentator Thomas Hayne claimed in 1645 that the prophecies of the Book of Daniel had all been fulfilled by the 1st century,[13] and Joseph Hall expressed the same conclusion concerning Daniel's prophecies in 1650,[14] but neither of them applied a preterist approach to Revelation. However, the exposition of Grotius convinced the Englishman Henry Hammond (1605-1660). Hammond sympathized with Grotius' desire for unity among Christians, and found his preterist exposition useful to this end.[15][page needed] Hammond wrote his own preterist exposition in 1653, borrowing extensively from Grotius. In his introduction to Revelation he claimed that others had independently arrived at similar conclusions as himself, though giving pride of place to Grotius.[16][page needed] Hammond was Grotius' only notable Protestant convert, and despite his reputation and influence, Protestants overwhelmingly rejected Grotius' interpretation of Revelation, which gained no ground for at least 100 years.[17][18][19]
By the end of the 18th century preterist exposition had gradually become more widespread. In 1730 the Protestant and Arian, Frenchman Firmin Abauzit wrote the first full preterist exposition, "Essai sur l'Apocalypse". Abauzit worked in the then independent Republic of Geneva as a librarian.[20] This was part of a growing development of more systematic preterist expositions of Revelation.[21] Later, though, it appears that Abauzit recanted this approach after a critical examination by his English translator, Leonard Twells.[22]
The earliest American full-preterist work, The Second Advent of the Lord Jesus Christ: A Past Event, was written in 1845 by Robert Townley. Townley later recanted this view.[23] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterism
spells, sorcery, curses and word games only have negative consequences to those who embrace those schemes and who are not filled with God’s Spirit and Truth.
That’s why it’s silliness.
I’m completely fine calling the days by simple numbers.
I don’t follow numerology, so numbers don’t have special evil connotation either.
“...sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar...”
And Passover is always the same work day on His calendar..
Every month.
Somehow the Beast system changed that day to their Friday..
What an exploding cigar Satan and the Beast have lit up soon to blow up in the faces of the major religions of the world..
Consequences are another Jesus and another gospel is proclaimed at the end of about 2,000 demon possessed swine years.
The Beast system has its own 6th Day, Sabbath, 1st Day.
So does the Father have His own 6th Day,Sabbath,1st Day.
His is Passover(14th), Unleavened Bread(15th), First Fruits(16th)
In accordance with the scriptures. Something Paul taught.
Something the Church can’t.
Another Jesus and another gospel (the chief importance of the gospel), being peddled as truth in the end of the Church Age.
Satan’s cigar is an exploding cigar...
Again. Amazingly prophetic..
Why is there always SOMEBODY who feels it necessary to impose their own unsolicited, legalistic and burdensome rules upon others?
They sound like a noisy gong, or a clanging cymbal.
Kinda like;
“Ya know how to tell a vegan?”
...you don't. They tell you!
Who knew Passover would be considered legalist while Satan imposes Friday Saturday and Sunday on the world, and the world sees that as freedom.
The Father’s alternatives would seem like a legalistic burden to most..
I mentioned all religions wouldn’t be pleased at the end of Satan’s run.
Satan sells freedom too.and lies about the Father and Son..
The world buys it.
Satan’s legalism is subtle and has people arguing over false days and false sabbaths.
Freedom is found in Christ.
The Passover Lamb, the Unleavened Bread of Sincerity and Truth and the First Fruits of those fallen asleep..
The sheep would be wise to know those are 3 days on His calendar that are always the same ...even if they happen to appear to jump around on the Beast’s calendar..
That’s not something someone will get from Judaism.
But they can get that gold refined by fire, from the Lamb.
A sad state that the end times Church finds itself in.
But they’re free.
Absolutely free to wander after the Beast.
It looks like the only game in town if not for the gold refined by fire, He sells.
To each their own,though..
WOW!
What a wide spread of the things people believe for just this one subject!
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those that understand binary, and them that don't.
It could be worse...
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Interesting you reference an ole house..
Today could be considered the 2nd day of His 2nd month, based upon the lights in His firmament and His barley..
Solomon in 2 Chronicles 3 began to build the House of God on the 2nd day of the 2nd month..
No longer exists literally.
A golden domed mosque/shrine is the prominent structure these days..
(from Johnny Cash & Family 1977 Christmas Show Complete)
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