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To: Scrambler Bob

And emperor Constantine, 300 years after the death of Christ decided what would be recorded as the new testement, and there were many other stories from other people that was not allowed in this book of the church.


24 posted on 03/29/2024 9:23:39 PM PDT by eastforker (All in, I'm all Trump,what you got!)
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To: eastforker

Yes, the Politico folks of the first centuries.


28 posted on 03/29/2024 9:37:25 PM PDT by alstewartfan (Child slavery, rape and drug OD's mean nothing to Roberts and Barrett. )
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To: eastforker

That is such a historically ignorant claim that I doubt you have investigated at all why it is. Clearly false.


31 posted on 03/29/2024 9:43:01 PM PDT by The Man
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To: eastforker

Well, Eastforker, judging between what you assert in this post and in your number 15, methinks that you are finding your “information” in the same place as the Reverend Ashley is finding hers.

Call me unimpressed.


40 posted on 03/29/2024 10:12:40 PM PDT by Belteshazzar
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To: eastforker

The collection of the New Testament was mostly settled long before Constantine. The only additions were the few books at the back. James, Jude, 2nd Peter, Revelation, Hebrews. 2nd and 3rd John. Hebrews is an excellent writing on why the Jews should not “draw back” as they did in the Desert and had to sit 40 years for the old generation to die off. From the death of Christ to the destruction of the Sacrificial system and Temple, by the Romans was also almost 40 years.

Lots of fake “gospels” and Apocalypses were written in those years. You can read about them in The Lost Books of the Bible and the Forgotten Books of Eden. One reading and you can see why they were left out as tall tales.


86 posted on 03/30/2024 7:51:17 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: eastforker; Scrambler Bob
eastforker And emperor Constantine, 300 years after the death of Christ decided what would be recorded as the new testement, and there were many other stories from other people that was not allowed in this book of the church.

Well, firstly - the Bible is not a book - it is a collection of books. That's in the very name: biblia.

Secondly, the canon of scripture was not decided by Constantine

The canon of Scripture wasn't a big issue. People relied upon the Church and her apostolic succession of bishops as “the pillar and bulwark of the truth" (1 Tim 3:15). There were the Gospels, Acts and Epistles authorized for reading at Mass, but the edges of the canon were hazy.

1 Clement, the Didache and the Epistle of Barnabas were sometimes included. The book of Wisdom sometimes appeared as a New Testament text. The two Apocalypses, of John and of Peter, were treated as dubious by many.

Congregations used the Septuagint Greek version of the OT which included the Deuterocanonicals. There were translations into Syriac, Coptic, Armenian etc. and Old Latin.

It was in 382 the Pope Damasus I and his bishops became convinced of the need for a better quality Late (Vulgar) Latin translation. He commissioned St Jerome to undertake the work, but at this point it became essential to decide exactly which books must be included.

So a Council was called and a canonical list of 46 OT books and 27 NT books agreed, identical with the list in a Letter of St Athanasius a few years earlier. The same list was ratified by a North African Council in Carthage in 397.

Because everyone relied upon the teaching of the Church as a whole, and never on the Scriptures separated from the Church, the question of the exact canon had not been terribly urgent. The Greeks didn't get round to defining their canon until the Quinisext Council of Trullo in 692 AD. It does prove that the “Bible alone" mentality was never that of the early Church, but actually a sixteenth century novelty.

123 posted on 06/06/2024 6:08:52 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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