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To: unlearner

Unleaner: I view you as a Brother in Christ. We may slightly disagree on the timing of these things - but it’s trivial man. You add an extra flavor to the discussion and help dust off the nonsense that is clearly way out in left field on these threads.

I don’t have spotify, but I will google these nonetheless.

Titus 2:13 is written on my heart:

“looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,”

If I am wrong about it - I’m wrong. I still get a crown right? 2 Timothy 4:8

I think you will too.

A lot of good folks believe in Pre-Wrath.

One thing is for sure, the longer - The True Body of Christ lives on Earth, the more Grace, Strength, and Endurance we’re going to need. I don’t know about you, but my spirit groans daily here.

God Bless You Brother - Love in Christ always!


50 posted on 03/09/2024 4:30:51 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Thank you, brother. Likewise.

I believe it is important when reading, learning, and sharing Bible prophecy to focus on the primary purpose of God giving us prophecy in the first place. Knowledge of end-times events is certainly important and one of the purposes of prophecy, but it is not the main purpose.

I Corinthians 13:2 NKJV
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

I Corinthians 8:1b NKJV
Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies.

Revealing Jesus is the main purpose of prophecy.

Revelation 19:10 NKJV
And I fell at his feet to worship him [i.e. the angel]. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

Luke 24:27 & 45 NKJV
And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself...
And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.

The book of Revelation is not merely a revealing or unveiling of the future, it is the revelation of (about/concerning) Jesus Christ.

Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, Beginning and End. He is the Creator and Sustainer of all things. He is eternal and almighty.

Revelation 1:8 NKJV
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

He has the power over life and death, Heaven and Hell. He is the final Judge and Arbiter of right and wrong, eternal punishment and reward.

Revelation 1:17-18 NKJV
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.”

He alone is worthy to determine the destiny of the world.

Revelation 5:1-7 NKJV
And I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals. Then I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and to loose its seals?” And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll, or to look at it. So I wept much, because no one was found worthy to open and read the scroll, or to look at it. But one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals.” And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth. Then He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.

If our primary fascination with Bible prophecy becomes just the knowledge of things to come, we will be like Peter who was awestruck at the presence of Moses and Elijah but lost sight of the incomparable person and presence of Christ.

Matthew 17:5-8 NKJV
While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!” And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid. But Jesus came and touched them and said, “Arise, and do not be afraid.” When they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Jesus only.


56 posted on 03/09/2024 6:57:11 AM PST by unlearner (I, Robot: I think I finally understand why Dr. Lanning created me... ;-)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

“I don’t have spotify, but I will google these nonetheless.”

The links should work even without logging into Spotify, but if not here are links to the songs on YouTube:

Watchman (released March 8, 2024)
https://youtu.be/By0BHcAL_N0

LYRICS

If I’m fully honest
I’m waiting on Your promise
Even through the trauma that swept my friends away
The darkness is upon us
The death of saints and psalmists
But I will sing my song for You anyway

Because You’re all I have Lord, You are the way
And I’ll always love You, and I will wait
Like a watchman, at the gate
Waiting for morning, to break

I can feel the winds are changing
Getting further down the range and
Truth is looking stranger than the lies
Because it’s simple and it’s holy
It’s better than they told me
Jesus You’re my only guiding light

And You’re all I have Lord, you are the way
And I’ll alway love You, and I will wait
Like a watchman, at the gate
Waiting for morning to break
Waiting to hear You say

Come on, enter in to my rest
And lay your head upon my chest
For I have called you friend
Because you kept your lamp burning through the night
And you made your garments pure and white
By my good sacrifice
Yeah, singing now my kingdom is with man
So come up to my table and
Raise up this glass with Me
Oh, singing no more tears and no more pain
I’m making all things new again
Just like I promised you

Sing alleluia all the way
And I’ll always love You
And I will wait
Like a watchman at the gate
Lord, I’m a watchman at the gate
I’m waiting for morning to break
I’m waiting for morning to break
Keep my lamp burning
Stay awake

Revelator
https://youtu.be/ebKOP-Usoxs

LYRICS

Had a dream I was alone
A vast expanse of complete unknown
Sea of glass so clear it shown,
Like gold
Then a voice like thunder clapped,
As a dead man I collapsed
I am the first, I am the last,
Now rise my son

Then behold ten thousand kings,
And every creature worshipping
Every eye was on one thing,
One man
He’s like a lion like a lamb,
As though slain he holds the plan
To make war and peace with man,
And reign on earth

Holy, Holy, is the One,
Who was and is, and is to come
In a robe as red as blood,
He comes forth
Ride like lightning in the sky,
Upon the war horse he draws nigh,
The same one we crucified,
Will come again

I’ll add one more to these...

Revelation Song (Global Edition)
https://youtu.be/ZFvgIjOv-rA

LYRICS

[Verse 1]
Worthy is the Lamb who was slain
Holy, holy, is He
Sing a new song, to Him who sits on
Heaven’s mercy seat

[Chorus]
Holy, Holy, Holy
Is the Lord God Almighty
Who was, and is, and is to come
With all creation I sing
Praise to the King of kings
You are my everything
And I will adore You

[Verse 2]
Clothed in rainbows, of living color
Flashes of lightning, rolls of thunder
Blessing and honor, strength and glory and power be
To You the only wise King, oh

[Verse 3]
Filled with wonder, awestruck wonder
At the mention of your name
Jesus your name is power
Breath, and living water
Such a marvelous mystery, yeah


62 posted on 03/09/2024 10:06:51 AM PST by unlearner (I, Robot: I think I finally understand why Dr. Lanning created me... ;-)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

One more thought to share that’s been on my mind...

(This is relevant regardless of the various eschatological views.)

1. I find no significant role in scripture regarding the United States. There is Israel, “Babylon”, the revived Roman Empire (Europe, with 10 nations in particular), Gog (a reconstituted Soviet Union ?), and massive armies of the kings of the east (China?, India?), but not much to support a role for the West. Maybe, and it might be a stretch, America might be represented by the two eagle wings that come in support of Israel against the antichrist. Other than that it is as if America does not exist.

2. Current Russian oligarchs are openly discussing the justification and inevitability of a first-strike, nuclear attack on The West.

3. Here is the approximate landmass of “The West”
* Western Europe: Approximately 3.9 million square miles.
* Northern America: Approximately 9.5 million square miles.
* Australasia: Approximately 3.1 million square miles.
In total, the land mass of these regions adds up to approximately 16.5 million square miles.
* The total landmass of planet Earth is 57.1 million square miles.
* This means “The West” makes up about 28.9% of the Earth’s landmass.

4. The fourth sign/seal/horse of the apocalypse comes on a “fourth part” (i.e. 25%) of the earth.

Revelation 6:7-8 NKJV
When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see.” So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.

5. Although I’m in no way asserting that such a scenario is the meaning of this passage, it seems as if America ceasing to exist as a world power is a real possibility in the light of Bible prophecy. And regardless of prophecy, it seems to me that our “cup of iniquity” is full or very nearly so. The future of our once-great nation seems pretty bleak to me.

As you’ve collected quite a few examples of “signs of the times” and studied their relationship with Bible prophecy, perhaps you have some insights into this.


64 posted on 03/09/2024 12:43:47 PM PST by unlearner (I, Robot: I think I finally understand why Dr. Lanning created me... ;-)
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