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To: BipolarBob; Wuli; Philsworld; metmom; cowboyusa; AppyPappy; Qwapisking; boatbums

First off, I am not a jew, and am not bound by the ten commendments nor the Mosaic law no more than Abraham was.

I follow the teachings of Jesus, and in His teaching I learn I am free from sin in HIM. I do observe the moral teachings Jesus gives us all. Try as you may, you cannot find any passages of the epistles that tell me to follow the Mosaic Law. Period!

Mind you, while He lived and taught, Jesus had to observe all the laws Ann ceremonies so that He could be the perfect sacrifice and thus abolish the Law forever.

As for the idea the Sabbath came from GOD in the beginning, Well, nowhere in the explicit commands of Genesis 1–2 is it stated that humans must honor the Sabbath. Moreover, not only is a command to rest missing, there’s also no mention of a Sabbath. Nor after Noah left the Ark God never stated anything about the Sabbath, It is first mentioned in Exodus for the Israelites to follow.

Instead, the focus is entirely on God for resting, not his creation doing so. Until the Law He gave to Moses. Again, I am not an Israelite, and thus not a Jew. One can find neither an institution of, nor preparation for, the Sabbath. This means any grounding for an obligatory rest must be read back into the text. If you want a command for Sabbath rest, you will have to stick around until God’s people are en route to the Promised Land, where they will be governed by a theocracy.

The case for a creation ordinance gains strength in noncanonical Jewish texts, but not in ways that affirm Sabbath keeping as binding on all people. Excluding Philo, who sought to universalize Jewish teaching, the remaining texts restrict the Sabbath ordinance to Jews.

Jubilees 2:19–21, 31 can state, “the Creator of all things…did not sanctify all peoples and nations to keep sabbath thereon, but Israel alone.” Similarly, in rabbinic literature, it is stated that the seventh day of creation was God’s Sabbath but not humanity’s.

It is said of Jews in Shabb. 16:6–8 that “if a gentile comes to put out the fire, they must not say to him ‘put it out’ or ‘do not put it out,’ since they are not answerable for his keeping the sabbath.” This is because, the Sabbath is a perpetual covenant between GOD and the children of Israel, but not between GOD and the nations of the world.

The Noahic commandments, which governed the behavior of Gentile God fearers, also point to a restricted application of the Sabbath ordinance, for they say nothing about keeping the Sabbath. Only a full-fledged proselyte was expected to join the Jews in observing the Sabbath

I do not become a Jew, I am a gentile believer in Christ. Thus a follower of Christ, not Moses and the Law God handed down for the Israelites to follow.

The example I offered in Acts 15, where the apostolic decrees from Sabbath-keeping Jewish-Christians to Gentile believers, and as I stated, it excluded any mention of Sabbath observance.


75 posted on 03/03/2024 6:52:26 PM PST by OneVike ( Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike
As for the idea the Sabbath came from GOD in the beginning, Well, nowhere in the explicit commands of Genesis 1–2 is it stated that humans must honor the Sabbath. Moreover, not only is a command to rest missing, there’s also no mention of a Sabbath. Nor after Noah left the Ark God never stated anything about the Sabbath, It is first mentioned in Exodus for the Israelites to follow.

Yes, God did.

Mar 2:27  And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

The word translated "man" here is the greek word:

G444

ἄνθρωπος
anthrōpos
Thayer Definition:
1) a human being, whether male or female

In other words mankind. Jesus, God in the flesh, said the Sabbath was made for mankind. 1a) generically, to include all human individuals. So it was created for mankind way back in Genesis:

Gen 2:2  And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.

  Gen 2:3  Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made. 

No amount of rationalization or justification or hatred of God can change the words that God himself caused to be written down and understood.

80 posted on 03/03/2024 6:58:29 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: OneVike
Law keeping.....

Galatians 3:1-11 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”

Abraham, of whom no record exists of him ever keeping the Sabbath, and who never kept the Law, since it did not exist until hundreds of years later.

88 posted on 03/03/2024 7:07:52 PM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: OneVike
Sabbath keeping is only ONE of the Ten Commandments.

Those who demand Sabbath keeping as required for salvation because it's part of the Ten Commandments, seem to forget that they are 9 other Commandments that people constantly break as well. And they are ALL important to God.

James 2:10-11 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

If someone is to be condemned for not keeping the Sabbath because it's part of the Ten Commandments, they need to keep in mind that they stand condemned for not keeping the rest of them.

And good luck with #1 and #2......

Then there's *Do not steal*, *Do not lie*, *Honor your father and mother*, *Do not covet......*.

Ooops.......

96 posted on 03/03/2024 7:20:47 PM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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